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Reversing the hand history here, because i don't know what to do in the spot I put the guy in.

Young lag opens to 6 in MP and a tightish guy calls, fish peels and Hero have  Ad  Kh.

Lag has 600ish, Tight guy 400, Fish 300 and Hero has 600ish as well.

Hero 3bets to 31, and only young lag calls. We are on the button.

Flop:  9s Ks 5h

Lag donks for 43, I flat fairly quickly.

Turn  2d

Lag donks for 124... wwyd?

History: Obviously this may come off a little awkward as the hand history is reversed. We have very little history in 3b pots, 3bettor has a pretty strong range 3bing here. We haven't been this deep for a while, and i had shown down T8o a few hands before, having 3bet an ep open. His range isn't polarised really, and i have no clue what he thinks il peel a 3bet with. Hes a good player but i have more experience deepstacked than him.

Turn play?

Edit: In the hand, i label myself young lag. Lag is probs an exaggeration, but I'm looser than villain and probs wider than other regs in general.

Which Ks is the correct one? "Heroes" holding or the flop?

Did the flop bring a flush draw?

i call and prob call most rivers

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flop Ks correct sorry

So since we don't have the Ks, do we have the Aspades in our hand? (it is somewhat important)

Such a weird spot to donk, given that Kxx flops hit the preflop 3 bettor's range so hard, and that villain is repping such a narrow range.

In heroes shoes I am hero calling turn and non-spade rivers most of the time, barring some spidey senses ninja live tell. The reason for this is that villain has hardly any combos of hands that beat me. Unless he is terrible he can't have 2 pair on this flop, and of course he is super unlikely to have top set. So villain's only value hands are middle and bottom set. Plus this line is 'always' something like QsJs or 8s7s in my experience...

doing anything other than calling twice seems very bad without very good live tells.

I think Honeybadger sums it up well enough. I probably call and call blank rivers. Typically if someone has a donking range on a flop like this its big draws or big made hands, the only big made hands that really seem reasonable are 99 and 55 and there just aren't many combos of them. Obv if we have  Aspades then we block some combos of draws that he can be doing this with which is bad for us

Hey guys. I was villain in this hand with king 9s. I don't peel many 3bets vs this player but decided to with the dynamic of my 3bet vs him being shown an orbit before. I had planned a donk line vs a few regs who seem to never believe a lead. On the turn he jammed, and claimed ace king post hand. I wasn't sure what I'd do in this spot, decided on call/call and wanted to check. Opp won't two barrel correctly etc etc. Happy with peel pre despite honeybadger saying tez. Kind of agree but so deep and I'm very comfortable vs him there. Ty for replies

Bit of an aftertimer alert as you've told us now.
Pre and flop is relatively normal,(like the donklead).
Sat with AK I would be hating life when you bet £125 into
£150.It screams value bet yet there are so few value combos you can have.
Like to think I could find a fold not wanting to get £600 in with
TPTK, but dunno if that would happen.
Wp

Not sure If flop is standard but I had an idea that he would spaz so with that read prob should be a donk

not a fan of the donk personally. Might be fine in a vacuum with some specific reads (I think he'll spaz prolly not quite good enough on its own) but from an overall strategic approach I think donking is quite bad.

I'd go for a check raise personally.

He is virtually 100% to go mental toa bluff, he never sees it as a viable value line

So, you unnecessarily (you are a mile away from being exploited and your hand is going to play terribly unless he is unimaginably appalling) called a 3b OOP deep, with K9 (suited? I assume so, but find the notation in these threads unreadable).
Then, seeing a flop which hits his range harder than yours (though, I find yours hard to define), you decide to donk one of your only good hands (depending on whether you flat pre AK, and AA,KK).
You realise that when you flat pre and check the flop (which is going to be a lot, if you flat with K9 etc) you are just throwing money in his general direction?

Why is he going to spaz? This definitely needs expanding upon.

You - Fold pre (not really, keep the games good)
       - Ch/Call Flop, Turn and River (subject to the usual stipulations)

Him - Ch/Call Flop, Turn and River (...)


No, no (and no).

Can't really give you a history of information about hands played for the last year concisely in a post. In his words "You never have a set when you donk" and I've seen him raise other players in spots like the flop, when donked into. Why? I don't know.

my point about pre been reasonably normal is that flatting the 3bet is surely ok as long as you have a plan for the hand,obv the deeper the better if your gonna peel OOP.
the donk is confusing,perhaps so much so that the guy sometimes mucks his AK  and you dont get value for your hand,as i said i dunno if i'd get so much in with TPTK.

if you think that donking will cause him to lose his brain a bit then it's a fine spot to donk. Just be aware it's not an easy strategy to execute overall when you do it (but I guess it doesn't matter)

r.e pre-flop I think the "deeper the better" isn't always true for calling 3bets (oop speshly) with weaker hands, I thnk as a general once you get past a certain depth (say 175-225big blinds) this is the optimal stack to start opening up your call vs 3bet range. Once you get 400+ I think you get a lot of reverse implied odds + you're going to find your hands way way harder to bet for value down the streets.

Definitely agree on the difficulty in a long term strategy but its not really relevant here. I have a very splashy image because i 3bet light, and have pulled off big bluffs before. My days now consist of valuetown and call downs, but people still won't give me credit, and if they do, they will probably ask me/a  mate about the correct reactions. Notes taken on roi @ 400 bigs deep, need some time to discuss but the concept makes sense, ty as always

edit: vs specific opp, deeper the better is probably true despite positional advantage. Hes tight and ok, but no creativity or real hand reading when not on form like the moment.