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Grand Prix 1d
Blinds  500/1000 A100

I've probably been on table 30 minutes not been very active villain 1 (60K) not seen him in a hand an villain 2 (40K) has been limping a lot, been calling raise's and just passing most flops..

Villain 2 limps Utg again passed round to me in MP playing (40K) look down a KK make it 2500 is this enough?

Folded round to BB Villain 1 who called as did Utg serial limper, pretty much loving life.
Flop  4c 4d  2h check check I bet 5500 bb calls and limper passes (standard) at this point I'm putting villain on a medium pair 55-88 I remember thinking this as the turn card was being dealt.
Turn  6s he again checks as do i ? I thought I'd check to disguise the strength of my hand so I could get another nice bet off him on the river?
River  Ac he checks again and before I really thought about it I put 2 purple chips over the line (10K) and straight away i thought to myself what a stupid fucking bet.. then he dwelled and looked like he was going to pass, whilst staring straight at me then looked at my stack to which I had about 20K left, then he just placed 6 purple chips over the line putting me all in.. and at this point a little bit of sick came up into my mouth..

What now?

Make it at least 3.5k pre, even 4 or 4.5k.

No reason to check the turn, you could get 3 streets of value from the hands you describe.

Bet on the river is fine, perhaps bet a little less, but fold now.

3.5-4k pre
Bet turn why do you need to disguise your hand just get value
River is an easy fold once you bet, it's a reasonably thin VB so I'd be making it smaller- but betting river not knowing wtf to do if he jams is generally not good, you should have an idea what you are gonna do before you decide to bet

Bigger pre. Bet turn. Fold now.

Bigger pre? Are we making all our raises bigger then?

After a limper yeah

You're definitely losing a lot of value by not making it bigger with a limper pre flop, you want to charge their mistakes and build a bigger post flop pot vs a dominated range.

So I would usually 4x it here pre flop.

As for on the flop i think your sizing is fine, but I would 100% bet the turn. Again, you're losing a huge amount of value by not betting here, he's almost never going to fold his flop range on this turn since it doesn't change the board texture and i think this is a clear spot to set up 3 streets of value.

As for sizing on the river i'd probably bet just about half pot since his range is pretty weak and shouldn't really be able to call a huge bet, and I would always fold if he raises the river.

As played, I would just bet/sigh fold river. It's pretty thin for him to check raise Ax on the river but I guess that's a possibility. More likely he just has 4x, deuces full or sixes full.

as always, another case of players checking turn to trap where villains are calling ridicuously wide. They called the flop, we have kings the boaed is 442, bet ffs. Its not high level thinking poker or anything, its just a huge massive mistake and definitely as bad in a vacuum as the guy peeling a 3bet with j10.

Chill out Pleno.

sorry, just infuriating because live is v.v.v.v.easy 80% of the time, just play tight, get a hand and keep betting till they raise.

Solid poker is the way forward and overco plicating things or trying to trap is a major flaw in so many peoples games. Leatherman always posted like hes a v.solid player and just want him to bet dat turn!! We haz dem cowboiez!!!

Must read OP better

+1 apart from the bolded clearly being a level.

Gotta get value! I'd bet the river, kind of hard for him to have an ace and let heros be heros! When he raises just give up, you rep Ax pretty hard when you check back the turn so I don't think you can expect to be shown a bluff here very often

+1

Thanks for feedback guys.
Yep must bet more pre as serial limper probably still calling, and not betting turn is a mistake need to get max value.  ;frustrated;
I tank folded river and villain kindly showed me  6h 6d mbn.

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make it like 3.5k preflop.. i try to get 3 streets here.

but if played the way u did by checking turn.. what are u realistically getting c/r'd with on the river when the  Ad should hit u so often... you've made your hand look like a bluff on the flop, and therefore shutdown the turn only to catch on the river. I dont ever bet the river as hes never going to call with worse.

Sick turn check, sometimes you just know