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Title: John Higgins.
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 28, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
Am I missing something?

The guy has more obvious than is obviously possible cheated in the scummiest possible way, yet in a brief bit on BBC coverage all the players are giving him credit as a "great family man" and really "honest and genuine guy"

WTF?

How can any pro snooker player go on national TV and say these things about the guy, even if you thought he was a decent bloke or if you were mates with him surely you never be seen publicly defending him. Or has everyone just decided to forget about it?

Bit bad imo


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: doubleup on April 28, 2012, 12:06:29 PM

If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: smashedagain on April 28, 2012, 12:09:22 PM
Yeah right


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: MahoganyVic on April 28, 2012, 12:48:37 PM
Used to love Higgins but he is clearly a scumbag. Can't stand him now. Ridiculous how the cheating was glossed over when he won last year


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: claypole on April 28, 2012, 12:52:42 PM

If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

Lol - his whole defence was comedy...I''m with Dave


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bobby1 on April 28, 2012, 01:11:49 PM

If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

Lol, lets be clear about this, Higgins got away with the ban he got, if every iffy game had been taken into account he would be sat in the bar now.

Most if the players stick up for him coz most of em had been at it themselves.

Check out mark allens twitter spat this week with stephen lee who is another who used' the shaggy defence' ie, ' it wasnt me'

Allen took offence to lee giving him stick after his outburst last week, allen tweeted he hoped higginson beat him but that lee had probably backed him to do so.

That tells you all you need to know about what lee has got away with and everyone knows it too.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Biddy 62 on April 28, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Yeah makes me sick, should have been banned for life, bent twat.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bobby1 on April 28, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
Worst thing that could happen to the game is maguire winning this year, that will be 2 consecutive cheats to lift the trophy.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Karabiner on April 28, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Worst thing that could happen to the game is maguire winning this year, that will be 2 consecutive cheats to lift the trophy.

He can always forget his chalk if he's in a tight spot.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Karabiner on April 28, 2012, 01:26:07 PM

If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

No just the odd frame here and there, in fact it was no worse than those Pakistani bowlers...


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Teacake on April 28, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Are we talking about the NOTW story here or am i missing something?


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: paulhouk03 on April 28, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
if you dont like bent ppl do not go to china



Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: smashedagain on April 28, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
if you dont like bent ppl do not go to china


Or Brighton


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 28, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
if you dont like bent ppl do not go to china


Or Brighton

Or here.

http://www.genealogyalongtherockies.com/colorado/bent/cobe.htm


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 28, 2012, 03:02:22 PM
If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

I was "bothered" to pretty close attention to the story, most importantly the bit where he is sat on camera telling the guy which offshore account to ship the 300k to whilst re-assuring him how easy it is to throw a frame in a snooker match. The excuse of "I was scared they were mafia so I played along" doesn't really cut the mustard with me.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: George2Loose on April 28, 2012, 03:04:28 PM
What did Maguire do?


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Teacake on April 28, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

I was "bothered" to pretty close attention to the story, most importantly the bit where he is sat on camera telling the guy which offshore account to ship the 300k to whilst re-assuring him how easy it is to throw a frame in a snooker match. The excuse of "I was scared they were mafia so I played along" doesn't really cut the mustard with me.

My recollection was that the NOTW interview was subtitled and dubbed and that Higgins wasn't saying half the stuff that the tape showed. It looked like they tried to set up a sting, didn't have enough to go on so doctored it to suit their agenda. 


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: WarBwastard on April 28, 2012, 03:44:18 PM
If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

I was "bothered" to pretty close attention to the story, most importantly the bit where he is sat on camera telling the guy which offshore account to ship the 300k to whilst re-assuring him how easy it is to throw a frame in a snooker match. The excuse of "I was scared they were mafia so I played along" doesn't really cut the mustard with me.

My recollection was that the NOTW interview was subtitled and dubbed and that Higgins wasn't saying half the stuff that the tape showed. It looked like they tried to set up a sting, didn't have enough to go on so doctored it to suit their agenda. 

Didn't really follow this at the time.  What was he doing there in the first place?


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Teacake on April 28, 2012, 03:59:07 PM
If you bothered to give some thought to the incident, it would be obvious that Higgins had no intention to fix matches.

I was "bothered" to pretty close attention to the story, most importantly the bit where he is sat on camera telling the guy which offshore account to ship the 300k to whilst re-assuring him how easy it is to throw a frame in a snooker match. The excuse of "I was scared they were mafia so I played along" doesn't really cut the mustard with me.

My recollection was that the NOTW interview was subtitled and dubbed and that Higgins wasn't saying half the stuff that the tape showed. It looked like they tried to set up a sting, didn't have enough to go on so doctored it to suit their agenda. 

Didn't really follow this at the time.  What was he doing there in the first place?

He went with his agent, who was also the number 2 in the WPBSA as I recall, to talk about setting up a new tournament in eastern Europe, when they got to the meeting thats when the talk started of throwing frames. It was fairly obvious his agent was in on it from the start ie that's who NOTW targeted to get Higgins there.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Nico29 on April 28, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
What did Maguire do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8224650.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8224650.stm)

Later cleared but many are still suspicious.

http://www.snookerpa.com/news/press-releases/press-release---maguire-and-burnett-cleared.html (http://www.snookerpa.com/news/press-releases/press-release---maguire-and-burnett-cleared.html)


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bigtadger on April 28, 2012, 04:10:03 PM
What did Maguire do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8224650.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8224650.stm)

Later cleared but many are still suspicious.

http://www.snookerpa.com/news/press-releases/press-release---maguire-and-burnett-cleared.html (http://www.snookerpa.com/news/press-releases/press-release---maguire-and-burnett-cleared.html)
higgins is as bent as a ten bob note simple as imo !!!!


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 28, 2012, 04:36:09 PM
The spectrum of punishments handed out for cheating in sport is quite wide isn't it? Pakistan bowlers get prison for spot-fixing, Dwain Chambers gets life ban for drug-taking, Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging, and Luis Suarez gets boos from the crowd for swan-diving. 


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: doubleup on April 28, 2012, 04:44:05 PM
Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging 

that wld be teh libel


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: The Camel on April 28, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging 

that wld be teh libel

I thought for something to be libel it actually had to be untrue.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: doubleup on April 28, 2012, 05:26:28 PM
Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging 

that wld be teh libel

I thought for something to be libel it actually had to be untrue.

he wasn't banned for frame rigging (the defence you are probably after is something along the lines of his reputation was damaged anyway)



Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bobby1 on April 28, 2012, 05:41:38 PM
Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging  

that wld be teh libel

I thought for something to be libel it actually had to be untrue.

he wasn't banned for frame rigging (the defence you are probably after is something along the lines of his reputation was damaged anyway)



mate, seriously, he was bang to rights many times before the NOTW scoop, a six month ban was lenient, contrived by Hearn's so called investigation team. He got off lightly, but not as lightly as the other main protagonist.

You don't really think the NOTW just happened to pick Higgins and his manager out of the air to expose the cheats do you?



Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: doubleup on April 28, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
Higgins gets six-month ban for frame-rigging  

that wld be teh libel

I thought for something to be libel it actually had to be untrue.

he wasn't banned for frame rigging (the defence you are probably after is something along the lines of his reputation was damaged anyway)



mate, seriously, he was bang to rights many times before the NOTW scoop, a six month ban was lenient, contrived by Hearn's so called investigation team. He got off lightly, but not as lightly as the other main protagonist.

You don't really think the NOTW just happened to pick Higgins and his manager out of the air to expose the cheats do you?



that wld be the notw that hacks the phone of a dead girl to get a story? Whether you like it or not Higgins wasn't banned for match fixing and any publication that stated he was would be asked to retract any such statement



Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: SuuPRlim on April 29, 2012, 09:34:45 AM

that wld be the notw that hacks the phone of a dead girl to get a story? Whether you like it or not Higgins wasn't banned for match fixing and any publication that stated he was would be asked to retract any such statement



this doesn't change the fact that he prolly did rig the frames though.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 29, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
Higgins was found guilty of 'giving the impression' he was going to cheat. People might say that's not very serious. Those people should give their wife the impression they're going to cheat and see what happens.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: mondatoo on April 29, 2012, 07:04:17 PM
He quite blatantly got off very lightly, proper joke.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: Josedinho on April 29, 2012, 09:57:29 PM
Is this the snooker thread for the Worlds then? If so can somebody pipe up when Judd becomes a lay for the title please.


Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bobby1 on July 27, 2012, 01:36:57 PM
seems that when you are well known and bent you either get away with it or get a six month ban when you have been throwing frames and then caught on camera haggling for money to throw frames. If you are Joe Jogia and you attempt a bent frame coup, then pull out of the event when you become aware that people know what you are planning, so don't actually play the hooky frame you have set up you get a 2 year ban.


Barry's world is a strange one, tho he is consistent when it comes to dealing with money makers.




Title: Re: John Higgins.
Post by: bobby1 on August 07, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
Another bad day in a long line. Amazing how many people seemed to have maximum confidence in betting the two big priced outsiders in singles and doubles in these two games. Just about every game that Thanawat plays in that has a decent market move against him ends up with him getting beaten.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/23607979