blonde poker forum

Poker Forums => Poker Hand Analysis => Topic started by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 11:23:50 AM



Title: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 11:23:50 AM
Grand Prix - forgive me if my memory of the finer details is poor, but, in essence

9 handed
8000/16000 - from poor memory
UTG raises to 50k from c 230k
folds to hijack who ships 800k - mid 40's seems solid, hasn't shown much but has had it at showdown when needed
cut off folds
I have AK playing 860k - hijack is the only player at the table who can do me serious damage, but conversely it's a massive potential pot

reads - UTG+1 has been waiting for 'his hand'
hijack may be shoving to isolate, but it doesn't feel like he's doing it lightly

snap call? snap fold? something in between?





Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: youthnkzR on April 30, 2012, 11:33:28 AM
Fold. Don't wanna take a flip for my stack 50bbs deep.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on April 30, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
Fold. Don't wanna take a flip for my stack 50bbs deep.

yeah - i guess it is that simple

I saw it the same and folded, Hijack had KK,  but I still got a lot of adverse comment from others on the table along the 'how can you fold that?' line. They may have been influenced by the AxA flop though...


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: BulldozerD on April 30, 2012, 10:36:04 PM
Do you think he would isolate AQ? If not I might fold and I dont like folding Ak like ever. However skim reading the updates it seems some players were playing old style nitty so maybe a fold


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 30, 2012, 10:57:16 PM
Snap call for me


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: sm00035 on April 30, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
tapeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: outragous76 on April 30, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
I mean you could fold ak here, but if you do, it's on the basis you never tell a soul,

If its on camera, and you get asked, look instantly shocked and claim you saw k4


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: Pinchop73 on May 01, 2012, 12:32:32 AM
Bit of a meh spot.

Fairly easy though.

A nitty UTG opens to over 3x (nearly a quarter of his stack). Described H/J literally has QQ+ here, maybe even KK+ to 3b jam 50bigs, I doubt he's even shoving AKs vs utg's range.

Assuming utg always calls with 2x 50bb shoves in front of him, we still need 44%, I really don't think we have that especially as either so easily have some of our outs.

meh fold.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: EvilPie on May 01, 2012, 12:54:36 AM
Didn't you have a golden chip in this comp?

That makes this an effective satellite bubble spot and an easy fold for me.

Without the gc it's a fist pump call.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: George2Loose on May 01, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Ranges are gonna be fairly tight at this stage. Good fold imo


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on May 01, 2012, 06:30:15 AM
Ranges are gonna be fairly tight at this stage. Good fold imo

Gonna frame this one :)

Daren't post the JJ fold I made later, which was more of a misread than a mistake I think.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: outragous76 on May 01, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Ranges are gonna be fairly tight at this stage. Good fold imo

Gonna frame this one :)

Daren't post the JJ fold I made later, which was more of a misread than a mistake I think.

My comment was slightly tongue in cheek David.

Fwiw, given the pay structure and the value of your golden chip, the golden chip actually makes this a reasonably trivial fold



Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: smashedagain on May 01, 2012, 09:40:55 PM
tbh the only person you wanna be taking advice from is Raggy. all the rest aint in your league :)


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: EvilPie on May 01, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
To be honest with the golden chip there's only one hand I'd call with here and even that wouldn't be a fist pump.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on May 02, 2012, 09:00:19 AM
To be honest with the golden chip there's only one hand I'd call with here and even that wouldn't be a fist pump.


I didn't value the Golden Chip as highly as the chance to win the tournament.
(I do now!)


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: StuartHopkin on May 02, 2012, 09:27:24 AM
Didn't realise about the Golden Chip.

I thought you just had to make the final with it to win the package?


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on May 02, 2012, 10:03:12 AM
Didn't realise about the Golden Chip.

I thought you just had to make the final with it to win the package?

correct - but that rarely entered my head. Certainly not when the AK hand played out. I had mine on show throughout the weekend and treated it as a potential bonus rather than as  a prize to be won.



Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: EvilPie on May 02, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Didn't realise about the Golden Chip.

I thought you just had to make the final with it to win the package?

correct - but that rarely entered my head. Certainly not when the AK hand played out. I had mine on show throughout the weekend and treated it as a potential bonus rather than as  a prize to be won.



Think it was the TV table which was 8 handed so this was the GC bubble.

I'm surprised it didn't enter your head at all. Maybe yours didn't bother you but the fact the other guy knows you have one and whether or not he has one should certainly be taken in to consideration.

Him thinking that you're only calling with AA for example would certainly widen his range to include AQ.



Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on May 03, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
Even if I include AQo it's still only just better than a flip vs QQ+, AQo+, and less than 50/50 if we remove AQo...

Don't misunderstand me, the final table was an aim, but mostly I wanted to win and having only been at risk of losing my entire stack twice in the whole tournament to this point (both in the last level on Day 1) I stuck with the game that had got me to where I was.

Should have known that the deck was stacked in my favour and called to hit the AxA that was coming, after all, I didn't lose a flip throughout the whole tournament.

#secretofmysuccess


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: smashedagain on May 03, 2012, 12:21:06 PM
Even if I include AQo it's still only just better than a flip vs QQ+, AQo+, and less than 50/50 if we remove AQo...

Don't misunderstand me, the final table was an aim, but mostly I wanted to win and having only been at risk of losing my entire stack twice in the whole tournament to this point (both in the last level on Day 1) I stuck with the game that had got me to where I was.

Should have known that the deck was stacked in my favour and called to hit the AxA that was coming, after all, I didn't lose a flip throughout the whole tournament.

#secretofmysuccess
Roughly how many flips did you have David?


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: StuartHopkin on May 03, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
Ah 8 handed final!

Snap folding now and dont think its even close.


Title: Re: AK decision time
Post by: david3103 on May 03, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
Even if I include AQo it's still only just better than a flip vs QQ+, AQo+, and less than 50/50 if we remove AQo...

Don't misunderstand me, the final table was an aim, but mostly I wanted to win and having only been at risk of losing my entire stack twice in the whole tournament to this point (both in the last level on Day 1) I stuck with the game that had got me to where I was.

Should have known that the deck was stacked in my favour and called to hit the AxA that was coming, after all, I didn't lose a flip throughout the whole tournament.

#secretofmysuccess
Roughly how many flips did you have David?

Not a huge number Jason, 44>AK, AQ>88 as true overs vs pairs, but I also had QQ>AJ (AKJ flop), A8>KK, and K8>A10, plus QJ>77 heads up vs raggy.

Couldn't beat AA with AJ though.