Title: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: pleno1 on May 03, 2012, 09:04:25 PM I give you magic sunglasses that let you see every player’s hand, but in return, you will have the nut low every time and will never win at showdown. You enter the Main Event and no one will catch on during this tournament. What is the probability you final table? Probability you get 2nd place?
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: Longy on May 04, 2012, 03:08:07 AM Can I copy Phil Galfond's answer? ;)
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: Rupert on May 04, 2012, 03:12:00 AM 1) 100%
2) 100% I guess seeing as it's impossible to win Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: dik9 on May 04, 2012, 04:12:57 AM There was a well known player from Birmingham who had a pair of "said glasses" about 15 years ago lol, got barred from the Vic for using them. The main reason why you cant play kalooki with poker cards in a casino now. Magic Ink FTL
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 01:54:10 PM If i don't final, I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: jgcblack on May 04, 2012, 02:45:33 PM Are people failing to realize that despite knowing someone's hole cards you could put the maximum pressure on people and they may still call with their 3/4th pair...?
I can see some Darvin Moon type just spazzing one time you set him all in when he has 1010 on AK9 or something silly... and he just goes "well if you've got it son, you've got it....." and pressed teh call button! ??? Would you rather know what they have or what they are thinking??? (i'm thinking the latter) Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 03:59:43 PM Would you rather know what they have or what they are thinking??? (i'm thinking the latter) Really? Lets play HU, you can have access to my internal monologue and i'll have access to your hole cards and we'll see how we each do! You'll quickly learn that I think the valet is hot, and will realise I get back pain playing poker sometimes in the meantime I'll every pot when you can't beat K high :P It's less about being able to bluff people of pots like when they have TT, you can see they have TT and just not play the hand, you can win every pre-flop hand where someone isn't dealt anything good and as long as people dont flop pairs you'll prolly take the majority of post-flop hands down. Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: Cf on May 04, 2012, 04:07:16 PM Would you rather know what they have or what they are thinking??? (i'm thinking the latter) Really? Lets play HU, you can have access to my internal monologue and i'll have access to your hole cards and we'll see how we each do! You'll quickly learn that I think the valet is hot, and will realise I get back pain playing poker sometimes in the meantime I'll every pot when you can't beat K high :P It's less about being able to bluff people of pots like when they have TT, you can see they have TT and just not play the hand, you can win every pre-flop hand where someone isn't dealt anything good and as long as people dont flop pairs you'll prolly take the majority of post-flop hands down. You could certainly apply the pressure but i'm not sure how long we'd get away with it. Some people will eventually realise you've never been to showdown and start playing back. And even though we can see they've put us in with a crap hand we can't call them as we can't win at showdown. I know you stipulated they'd never catch on. I assume they're not catching on to us being able to see cards. Most players will catch on to someone bullying a table. And there'll be times when the rest of the table is just getting dealt hands and there's not much you can do. And there's all the cold deck scenarios such as when we might get AA v KK that we can't get any value from. Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: DMorgan on May 04, 2012, 04:22:13 PM 100% and 100% unless in the case of some horrible blowup
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: DMorgan on May 04, 2012, 04:24:45 PM Then heads up grind them down and lump the net on yourself to come 2nd.
ez gmae Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: kinboshi on May 04, 2012, 04:31:01 PM Would you rather know what they have or what they are thinking??? (i'm thinking the latter) Really? Lets play HU, you can have access to my internal monologue and i'll have access to your hole cards and we'll see how we each do! You'll quickly learn that I think the valet is hot, and will realise I get back pain playing poker sometimes in the meantime I'll every pot when you can't beat K high :P Wiiiii, I play live poker like L'il Dave (but without the back issues). Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 04:39:21 PM You could certainly apply the pressure but i'm not sure how long we'd get away with it. Some people will eventually realise you've never been to showdown and start playing back. And even though we can see they've put us in with a crap hand we can't call them as we can't win at showdown. I know you stipulated they'd never catch on. I assume they're not catching on to us being able to see cards. Most players will catch on to someone bullying a table. And there'll be times when the rest of the table is just getting dealt hands and there's not much you can do. And there's all the cold deck scenarios such as when we might get AA v KK that we can't get any value from. Play back how? Start re-bluffing? Calling more? that's fine they cant do it everytime, if they start taking 40% of the pots from us we;re still chipping up! We can even start playing tight, there is literally no way they can beat us. As for Coolers we'll never be in one cos we'll never have the best hand, so either we're dealt two blank cards every hand or if we have AA it means someone will make a better hand at some point, in which case if we get dealt anything better than K - high we should open muck it, Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: smashedagain on May 04, 2012, 05:06:59 PM You would be very suprised how easy people fold Td Th when you tell em you know what they have. Try it live sometime and they even fold face up :)
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 05:18:35 PM 2) 100% I guess seeing as it's impossible to win just go for the bluffcall on the river Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: The Camel on May 04, 2012, 05:25:19 PM I think you are all overestimating your opponents in the main event.
The chances you make the final are way lower than 100%. You only have be wrong once with an allin and you're out. Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 05:27:00 PM we'd never go all in though?
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 05:28:18 PM You would be very suprised how easy people fold Td Th when you tell em you know what they have. Try it live sometime and they even fold face up :) playing in vegas last time, it's folded to me in the HiJack, I open to $300 with Td Th Scott Siever calls on the button, both blinds fold. He says to me "ha! Pocket tens, and winks" flops comes Ks Jh 6d I chk, he bets $450 I fold he laughs and shows me 9c 9d.... Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 05:29:51 PM we'd never go all in though? yh going all in ever would be stupid, unless perhaps it's folded to us in the CO and the rest of the players all have like T6, Q4 etc and much shorter stacks than us. Going all in where you can be called would be a bad plan regardless of the cards. Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: gatso on May 04, 2012, 05:37:43 PM And there's all the cold deck scenarios such as when we might get AA v KK that we can't get any value from. how is this gonna happen when you will have the nut low every time Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: smashedagain on May 04, 2012, 05:51:56 PM You would be very suprised how easy people fold Td Th when you tell em you know what they have. Try it live sometime and they even fold face up :) playing in vegas last time, it's folded to me in the HiJack, I open to $300 with Td Th Scott Siever calls on the button, both blinds fold. He says to me "ha! Pocket tens, and winks" flops comes Ks Jh 6d I chk, he bets $450 I fold he laughs and shows me 9c 9d.... Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 06:15:04 PM You would be very suprised how easy people fold Td Th when you tell em you know what they have. Try it live sometime and they even fold face up :) playing in vegas last time, it's folded to me in the HiJack, I open to $300 with Td Th Scott Siever calls on the button, both blinds fold. He says to me "ha! Pocket tens, and winks" flops comes Ks Jh 6d I chk, he bets $450 I fold he laughs and shows me 9c 9d.... This is the one and only time I've met him but he came across from table behavior and very brief chat after the game as a very very nice guy, and he is as far as I can see excellent at poker :) Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: Rupert on May 04, 2012, 06:25:20 PM when you look round the table and see everyone has nothing playable you open. we are literally going to win the tournament stealing blinds
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 06:28:58 PM when you look round the table and see everyone has nothing playable you open. we are literally going to win the tournament stealing blinds yh, and when people have stuff like 56s or 44 we can just open and win the pot 99% when it comes AQ3 or 99J etc Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: robbiebox on May 04, 2012, 08:34:33 PM You should be able to get heads-up and get a big chip lead. Once there negotiate deal where you dont actually play it out but give him a Million or two extra so that you can take the title.
Easy Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: Cf on May 05, 2012, 11:01:35 AM And there's all the cold deck scenarios such as when we might get AA v KK that we can't get any value from. how is this gonna happen when you will have the nut low every time Yeah, that's the point. A lot of time we can earn chips in tournaments by cold decking someone. In this scenario we have lost this method of chip gathering which makes life harder for ourselves. I still don't think this would be as easy as some are making out. Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: gatso on May 05, 2012, 11:19:55 AM And there's all the cold deck scenarios such as when we might get AA v KK that we can't get any value from. how is this gonna happen when you will have the nut low every time Yeah, that's the point. A lot of time we can earn chips in tournaments by cold decking someone. In this scenario we have lost this method of chip gathering which makes life harder for ourselves. I still don't think this would be as easy as some are making out. ah, ok. misread your post Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: sm00035 on May 05, 2012, 11:24:20 AM You would be very suprised how easy people fold Td Th when you tell em you know what they have. Try it live sometime and they even fold face up :) playing in vegas last time, it's folded to me in the HiJack, I open to $300 with Td Th Scott Siever calls on the button, both blinds fold. He says to me "ha! Pocket tens, and winks" flops comes Ks Jh 6d I chk, he bets $450 I fold he laughs and shows me 9c 9d.... This is the one and only time I've met him but he came across from table behavior and very brief chat after the game as a very very nice guy, and he is as far as I can see excellent at poker :) I'd need to confirm he's the guy I'm thinking of, but 99% sure he's an absolute twat Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: MANTIS01 on May 05, 2012, 11:26:46 AM If pleno gave me a pair of magic sunglasses I would throw them in the bin. I don't think it would be ethical to cheat players out of money like this.
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: MC on May 05, 2012, 01:00:38 PM If pleno gave me a pair of magic sunglasses I would throw them in the bin. I don't think it would be ethical to cheat players out of money like this. Yeah, I would too... [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 05, 2012, 01:03:25 PM If pleno gave me a pair of magic sunglasses I would throw them in the bin. I don't think it would be ethical to cheat players out of money like this. just hope they accidently give it to you and run away :D Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: DMorgan on May 05, 2012, 01:06:57 PM If pleno gave me a pair of magic sunglasses I would throw them in the bin. I don't think it would be ethical to cheat players out of money like this. Game Theory tho Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: sovietsong on May 05, 2012, 11:02:56 PM If pleno gave me a pair of magic sunglasses I would throw them in the bin. I don't think it would be ethical to cheat players out of money like this. Rofl Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: pokerfan on May 05, 2012, 11:07:13 PM Girah managed a losing session while seeing hole cards hu ;D
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: The Camel on May 05, 2012, 11:10:20 PM Can we use these sunglasses for anything else?
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: smashedagain on May 05, 2012, 11:36:13 PM Girah managed a losing session while seeing hole cards hu ;D was he not plenos mate?Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: MANTIS01 on May 06, 2012, 10:32:00 AM The worry you have with the sunglasses is that some busybody gets suspiscious and wants to try them on. The technology must exist for magic contact lenses or magic laser surgery. Wow magic laser surgey. If I had magic laser surgey and could see everybody's cards I wouldn't play poker because it's not ethical to take advantage of people. Wouldn't sit comfortable with me.
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 06, 2012, 10:40:02 AM The worry you have with the sunglasses is that some busybody gets suspiscious and wants to try them on. The technology must exist for magic contact lenses or magic laser surgery. Wow magic laser surgey. If I had magic laser surgey and could see everybody's cards I wouldn't play poker because it's not ethical to take advantage of people. Wouldn't sit comfortable with me. Just figured it out! Mantis already owns a pair of these sunglasses and is trying to divert attention from the idea! Rumbled! Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: kinboshi on May 06, 2012, 10:43:35 AM Nah, they're pleno's, Mantis just plays on his account whilst wearing them...
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: MANTIS01 on May 06, 2012, 10:53:47 AM Actually a few of the ladies at Yoga class do ask why I wear sunglasses.
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: bobAlike on May 06, 2012, 11:37:52 AM Actually a few of the ladies at Yoga class do ask why I wear sunglasses. To divert their attention from your stiffy?? Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: paulhouk03 on May 06, 2012, 12:07:02 PM can we take the sunglasses off when so we dont have nut low all the time?
Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 06, 2012, 12:13:35 PM Actually a few of the ladies at Yoga class do ask why I wear sunglasses. Haha The glaucoma getting worse is it ;) Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: jgcblack on May 06, 2012, 12:27:23 PM If we could do/ have/ get one thing an hour at the table in a live tournament or cash game.... what one piece of information would people want the most?
- what someone is thinking - what they had - what they have right now - how they would play x? - how they perceive x, y or z? - other ? Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: pleno1 on May 07, 2012, 04:43:42 PM Title: Re: Magic sunglasses.. Post by: SuuPRlim on May 09, 2012, 03:30:13 AM I'd go for what they have right now lol
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