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Title: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 09:22:52 PM
ok,m so sb was donking about massively, not folding at all pre. btn is unknown. i would flat here usually 95% of the time, but the sb really warranted a 3b. promise :)

flop i think betting is std.

turn i think is q close between betting and c/f

river i want to bet to get jj/qq to fold lol, he has 4400 otr btw.

its 50r on stars btw.


*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ad Ts]
canabenol: folds
WhEADa: folds
OhRaisyDaisy: folds
StatusUp: folds
wugwugwugwug: folds
leopeluca: raises 80 to 160
Tomatee: calls 120
hero: raises 400 to 560
leopeluca: calls 400
Tomatee: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [td 2c 8s]
Tomatee: checks
hero: bets 560
leopeluca: calls 560
Tomatee: folds
*** TURN *** [td 2c 8s] [8c]
hero: bets 880
leopeluca: calls 880
*** RIVER *** [td 2c 8s 8c] [Kc]
hero: bets 6740 and is all-in


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
when i jam river i think he doesnt have a calling range outside of full houses


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: skolsuper on May 04, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
Turn to me is a simple bet/fold with a normal 50-60% pot sized bet, what made you deviate from this here?

Pre is good imo.


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
yeh i was b/f the turn, i bet this size to set up a perceived pot sized river shove which id do with all my turn betting range, perhaps betting bigger is better.

thoughts on the river when we get there like this?


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
flop is std sizing i think.


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: skolsuper on May 04, 2012, 10:23:57 PM
Sorry didn't spot that you included eff stack size, should read OPs properly, yeah flop + turn sizing makes sense in that case. Would be tempted to c/c river given that your line looks so strong when u shove yet doesn't work as a bluff imo. He doesn't ever have JJ/QQ for you to fold out.


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Sorry didn't spot that you included eff stack size, should read OPs properly, yeah flop + turn sizing makes sense in that case. Would be tempted to c/c river given that your line looks so strong when u shove yet doesn't work as a bluff imo. He doesn't ever have JJ/QQ for you to fold out.

ah ok, thats exactly what i was asking, i assumed when i jam river he doesnt have a calling range.


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 05, 2012, 03:29:59 AM
whenever I ask my friends about online MTT hands I've played, 95% of the time they tell me I bet too big at some point in the hand


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: pleno1 on May 05, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
Basically if at all possible without overbettong the overall goal is to set up a pot sized river shove on the river. We don't have to shove the river but when betting turn we want to set up a perceived shove so that we get a lot of turn folds.

In regards to the flop we want to bet small so that it gives us leverage on the turn whilst still making our bluffs cheap. I would bluff this sizing on the flop too meaning it doesn't have to work a large % of the time. If we were always betting big then it probably wouldn't be profitable to bet as a bluff as it would have to work an insanely high amount of the time. I almost never cbet more than 60% and my sizing will change between 23-60 depending on stack sizes and board texture.


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: DMorgan on May 05, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Don't really see you folding out anything better with a river jam - I'd probably to the old check/decide on the river. Probably call though. I like turn sizing with stacks as they are - pretty happy to jam most rivers for value. This is one of the worse ones though in that he can perceive it as a scare card for his range which I think contains a lot of pocket pairs that want to put the cape on


Title: Re: hmmdizzla
Post by: Rupert on May 08, 2012, 05:10:15 AM
check fold the river wp otherwise, turn is a bit thin