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Title: stt short stack question Post by: gatso on January 12, 2006, 11:41:43 PM Table "STT1 1721498 - 1" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Garry012 (1623.20 in chips) Seat 2: Eveewan (1160 in chips) Seat 3: Badmof0 (881.50 in chips) Seat 4: Lalarina (394.30 in chips) Seat 5: Balmer (1381 in chips) Seat 8: Ragulin (2090.20 in chips) Seat 9: Peddoo (542 in chips) Seat 10: Debbiedoo (1927.80 in chips) Badmof0: posts small blind 50 Lalarina: posts big blind 100 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to Lalarina [4d 6s] Balmer: calls 100 Ragulin: calls 100 Peddoo: folds Debbiedoo: folds Garry012: folds Eveewan: folds Badmof0: folds Lalarina: checks ----- FLOP ----- [7s 5c 7d] Pretty sure I made the right move here, just after confirmation. All in on the flop and hope he's not got 74o or check and try to see a free card? Title: Re: stt short stack question Post by: Bongo on January 12, 2006, 11:59:43 PM I'd be all in.
If you pass then you'll only have just under 250 left after posting the small blind - not enough to make people pass really. Here you can bet ~ 300 into a 350 pot. No one has shown any strength and it's a flop that isn't likely to have hit many hands. Even if you're called you still have outs (probably!). Title: Re: stt short stack question Post by: gatso on January 13, 2006, 12:12:20 AM Cheers Bongo, exactly my thinking, just nice to have it confirmed. As it happens he had hit the flop so I got the call but the pot odds were just about there for the all in. And I got a lovely 3 on the river.
Would this be an automatic all in in a cash game? I'm a bit of a cash fish but would move in in this position everytime. Right or wrong? ----- FLOP ----- [7s 5c 7d] Lalarina: bets 294.30 and is all-in Balmer: calls 294.30 Ragulin: folds ----- TURN ----- [7s 5c 7d][Ts] ----- RIVER ----- [7s 5c 7d Ts][3d] ----- SHOW DOWN ----- Lalarina: shows [4d 6s] (A Straight, Seven high) Balmer: shows [7h 6c] (Three of a kind, Sevens, Ten high) Lalarina collects 938.60 from Main pot Title: Re: stt short stack question Post by: Longy on January 13, 2006, 02:10:22 AM You have no other options with you shortstack as Bongo outlines push it and pray as you did. In a cash game i would check and fold. I am not a fan of playing a shortstack in cash games cos it makes you make plays that aren't long term profit makers, in this situation pushing isn't an EV play therefore not advisable IMO for cash games. This because your draw isn't live because of the paired board, an oft made mistakes playing draws on paired boards.
Title: Re: stt short stack question Post by: 12barblues on January 13, 2006, 02:18:47 PM I am not a fan of playing a shortstack in cash games cos it makes you make plays that aren't long term profit makers I am a cash game novice (to say the least ;fish;), but what do you have in mind when you say you are forced to make plays with a negative expected value? Why would you ever (knowingly!) do this? I can see that playing a short stack in a cash game requires a totally different strategy in that implied odds become much less important, e.g. you can't play suited connectors versus AA because the payoff when you hit isn't big enough to compensate for all the times you miss by a mile. But the converse is also true. Big stacks can't get much in the way of implied odds out of a short stack if he's all in on the flop with his big pair! It seems to me that it's a matter of style / temperament whether you are happy to play a boring short stack / big card strategy. Have I got this horribly wrong? Title: Re: stt short stack question Post by: TightEnd on January 14, 2006, 05:03:43 PM playing short stack in cash forces you to play the premium cards, a very patient game and pray your few opportunities hold up.
personally I try to be biggest stack at the outset, the flexibility it affords is enormous in the situation in the orginial post, all in. |