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Title: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Bigfella on May 21, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
What are your fancies? I'm on Coolavanney Bert at 33's each way first 4. He looked a tired dog in the semis but the weeks rest should help and if he leads the one dog to the bend he has a good chance.

I'm really tempted to lay Taylors Sky, I just don't think he's the dog he was last year and he has an awful draw.

The Judicial dog ran a good semi and O'Donovan is an experienced trainer I think 5/1 is value. The Westmead dog at 11/1 is overpriced mainly because Nick Savva knows what to do with dogs in finals and at that price and with the dogs running style each way first 2 is tempting.

It's wide open I'm looking forward to a great race. Will post on here once I've made my mind up!



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: railtard1 on May 22, 2012, 01:04:04 AM
I think the final has lost some of its appeal since the fastest dogs in the competition in razldazal jayfkay and bubbly phoenix both found trouble in the semi's.

I have thought coolavanney bert was a lay every single round being a short runner, but he has continued to qualify and i think he is solid for the final. I agree taylors sky hasnt looked the same dog, BUT, charlie lister does this time and time again, gets them right for finals and gets them out. I actually dont think the draw is as terrible as it first looks as it can lead up the westmead dog, and track coolavanny and farloe ironman. The latter has to be a big price, has every chance of leading up on the rails and was impressive in the semis i thought.

I think the best bet on the card on saturday is freds champ in the derby plate. Drawn in 6 it looks a good thing with 5 rails runners, but id imagine it no great price.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 22, 2012, 11:01:33 AM
I've been on Bert and Snapper from the start and am happy enough. Obviously Bert's chances lie with leading the one which he can do. Judicial might ping and make all but if he doesn't it opens it up nicely for Snapper if he can cut them off. Should be a great race and I'll be bricking it come race time.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: action man on May 22, 2012, 11:14:38 PM
fancy bert really strongly


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Tal on May 24, 2012, 04:58:48 PM
Bert has to make the bend but I do think he will. The dog inside him was the other side of him in the semi and hardly tried to hug the rail. Suggests to me that, if they make the bend together, there will be a fair amount of contact. Bert beats him to the bend and the trouble will be behind him, leaving him a clear run to glory.

It all sounds so simple lol


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Marky147 on May 24, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
I'm quite into the old dogs now after watching that meeting the other night. I'll deffo be following next season Scotty, I am gutted I didn't notice it this year as you have probably noticed I take no convincing to jump on :D

Best of luck lads hope you get weighed in!!


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 24, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I'm quite into the old dogs now after watching that meeting the other night. I'll deffo be following next season Scotty, I am gutted I didn't notice it this year as you have probably noticed I take no convincing to jump on :D

Best of luck lads hope you get weighed in!!

Will be studying the Saturday card before the weekend, so hopefully between us we can come up with a good few winners.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Bigfella on May 24, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
I had a few quid sitting on Skybet and have put the lot on Westmead Adonis each way at 11/1 and have laid Taylors Sky so he is the only loser in my book now. Bert is the big winner for me though so he gets the biggest cheer.

Not seen the full card yet, will study it Saturday morning over a nice fry up.



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 24, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
I had a few quid sitting on Skybet and have put the lot on Westmead Adonis each way at 11/1 and have laid Taylors Sky so he is the only loser in my book now. Bert is the big winner for me though so he gets the biggest cheer.

Not seen the full card yet, will study it Saturday morning over a nice fry up.



I don't like Adonis for top two, can't see it, but if anyone else does, use bet365, they are paying 1/3 odds. Not sure on the price there though.

Looks like money coming for Judicial. As short as 7/2 now.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Bigfella on May 24, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
I remember watching Westmead Lord win the derby a few years ago and thinking "how the f*** did Savva get that dog to do that run?". My whole theory on betting Adonis each way is based on the hope that he can produce a similar piece of magic. I do agree that on all known form he should not be in contention, but I'm sure he will be primed on Saturday.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 24, 2012, 10:09:33 PM
Been watching semis a fair bit, Judicial looks like he doesn't want to turn left with pace on his outer, doesn't look good for my Snapper bet as Snapper is consistently well out. Plus, really confident Bert can at least match Ironman up and Bert is fastest from 1 to 3.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5xkxliVPk0

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sUF0J3EnGE


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: railtard1 on May 26, 2012, 02:12:57 AM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273UIgmVoVg

best commentary ever


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: railtard1 on May 26, 2012, 02:27:53 AM
Really good card!
In the marathon i really like the trap 4, buglys billie. It was well beaten by the bubbly dog in 6 in the heat last week, but i think buglys will come on alot for that. Its racing previous to that run had been done at crayford which is a horrible track for a greyhound to adjust from / to. Hoping the 5 dog can hold up the 6 at the bend, and if buglys billie keeps tabs on  the 6 on the 2nd circuit, i think it will prove too strong. Gnerally availble at about 5/2, i think its the value call against the 6 dog, in what looks to be a match.

The derby final is probably the most open its been for along time. Any of the 6 could win and it not be overly surprising. The more i look at it, the more i want to be on taylors sky. It hasnt shown the same sparkle this year, but its made the final again, and charlie lister really is the king in these situations. The dog WILL be 100% for the final, and i think its draw is not as bad as it first looks, it should lead up the westmead dog, and i think it can prove too strong for the early paced railers. Great final tho and nothing can be ruled out confidently.

The last televised race is probably the nap of the night. The 1 dog is just short of top class over 4 bends but has been competing against the best over the last 2 months and this is a huge drop in class. It has a BRILLIANT draw for a dog that doesnt ping from the boxes, but does pace up well. I think he will turn about a length behind the 3 dog, and prove way too strong.
Get on the 3 at a decent price treble ;-)



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: action man on May 26, 2012, 02:56:25 AM
if taylors sky wins it will be the best training performance ive ever seen, the dog has had lots of problems, would crown off a great year for the master


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
He just doesn't look fit to me. Wins this by a length or more at his best, but can't see him doing that tonight.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Bigfella on May 26, 2012, 10:46:48 AM
I was here in 1983. White City was the nuts. Still remember the great dogs from these days and just look at the crowd! I backed I'm Slippy who went on to be one of the best stud dogs seen for many years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0EV1R7jLg


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 10:50:37 AM
Agree with Railtard about Mill Maximus, should be a nice winner, 5/4 best price, good chance it'll be the other side of evens come the bunny.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 10:57:29 AM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: railtard1 on May 26, 2012, 11:39:20 AM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

something special about stayers that come from way of the pace, i think thats why i rate westmead hawk as the best greyhound derby winner in my lifetime


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
The roar down the back when the crowd knows he is making his move, it's superb.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: ACE2M on May 26, 2012, 03:43:10 PM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

ha ha, i only watched that the other day. abso brilliant.

i've been tipped clonkeen theo in the 9.05 - punted blindly.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 03:56:24 PM
Gone through the whole Wimbledon card and will likely be backing the selections below, what's everyone else on?

6:55 - T1 Gone To Carrhue 5/2
7:15 - T1 Aero Joker 5/1 NAP
7:50 - T1 Young Sid Evens
8:05 - T6 Jordans Chris 2/1
8:25 - T4 Boherna Bridge 20/1ew
8:45 - T5 Fernhill Jess 7/1
9:05 - T1 Olivers Twist 6/5
10:05 - T6 Bubblys Capel Evens
10:35 - C'MON BERT OR SNAPPER!!!!!!
10:55 - T1 Mill Maximus 5/4


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 03:57:27 PM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

ha ha, i only watched that the other day. abso brilliant.

i've been tipped clonkeen theo in the 9.05 - punted blindly.

Been discussing Theo right there actually, I'm on 1 but wouldn't want to put you off a bet on Theo at the prices. EW?


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: ACE2M on May 26, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

ha ha, i only watched that the other day. abso brilliant.

i've been tipped clonkeen theo in the 9.05 - punted blindly.

Been discussing Theo right there actually, I'm on 1 but wouldn't want to put you off a bet on Theo at the prices. EW?

yeah.

do you train a dog to run like scurloge champ did?


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 04:11:25 PM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

ha ha, i only watched that the other day. abso brilliant.

i've been tipped clonkeen theo in the 9.05 - punted blindly.

Been discussing Theo right there actually, I'm on 1 but wouldn't want to put you off a bet on Theo at the prices. EW?

yeah.

do you train a dog to run like scurloge champ did?

It's like what my mates say to me when they see me on the dancefloor on a Saturday night: "you can't teach that"


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: millidonk on May 26, 2012, 04:13:51 PM
Oh wow. Never seen that clip before! actually gave me tingles. INCREDIBLE!!


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: action man on May 26, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
which ones are the televised races plz and what channel


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: typhoon13 on May 26, 2012, 04:26:53 PM

Olivers twist lay

Judicial for the big one

Have a great night Scotty, i think the atmosphere on Derby night is better than Cheltenham.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: ACE2M on May 26, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
which ones are the televised races plz and what channel

8:05 - 10:35
SS4


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 04:27:58 PM
which ones are the televised races plz and what channel

SS4 from 9-11 mate but before that one the red button, not sure what time from though.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 04:30:31 PM

Olivers twist lay

Judicial for the big one

Have a great night Scotty, i think the atmosphere on Derby night is better than Cheltenham.

I aint going, too far to travel but am super jealous of anyone making it, maybe next year.

What's with the Twist lay? Just price related?


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: typhoon13 on May 26, 2012, 04:42:41 PM

Olivers twist lay

Judicial for the big one

Have a great night Scotty, i think the atmosphere on Derby night is better than Cheltenham.

I aint going, too far to travel but am super jealous of anyone making it, maybe next year.

What's with the Twist lay? Just price related?

No, it has been mentioned to me as a lay.

I have always been a backer of it myself.

Jordans chris looks a good bet.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: EvilPie on May 26, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
Super pumped for tonight, so much so that I'll whip out one of my favourite, and completely unrelated, greyhound videos. Most will have already seen it but keep your eye on the 6, incred dog....

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs

Something I've always wondered about greyhounds.

Do you think they know they're in a race? That one certainly seemed to want to win and actually appeared to pace himself and use tactics.

Most that I've seen just run like f**k to try to get to the hare.

They always seem to want to get to the hare first but that fella seemed to want to do it at exactly the moment it passed the finish line.



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: ACE2M on May 26, 2012, 08:13:35 PM
had another steer for luminous park in the 8.25. e/w


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
had another steer for luminous park in the 8.25. e/w

On


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
9:05 to get us out then :)

I'm in the office so just checking my bet status to see if I've won lol


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: ForthThistle on May 26, 2012, 09:03:39 PM
Betfair have suspended the Derby Final.

Anybody know Why?

Want to bet Bert.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: typhoon13 on May 26, 2012, 09:10:59 PM

Scotty

You were slow out the box but, wow your smoking now wd.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 10:07:18 PM

Scotty

You were slow out the box but, wow your smoking now wd.

tyty

shitting bricks for final already, one time please!!!


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: tikay on May 26, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Fingers crossed for you Scotty.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: The Camel on May 26, 2012, 10:38:28 PM
6/4, 3/1, 7/2, 7/2, 8/1, 10/1.

Worse than a flapping track.

Bookmakers at Wimbledon are an absolute disgrace.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Marky147 on May 26, 2012, 10:39:06 PM
Get in there Scotty!!!


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 10:43:04 PM
Get in there Scotty!!!

Buzzing, thank you. Very happy. So is the gf, now we can go on holiday!!!

As a side note, what money for Ironman - 9/2 to 6/4 in about 2 minutes.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Tal on May 26, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
What was the result? Apparently dusk have 30 TV screens, all showing post-fight celebrations from the undercard. No room for greyhounds


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Christo! on May 26, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
Get in there Scotty!!!

Buzzing, thank you. Very happy. So is the gf, now we can go on holiday!!!

As a side note, what money for Ironman - 9/2 to 6/4 in about 2 minutes.

Nice one Scott well done !!!


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: typhoon13 on May 26, 2012, 10:46:12 PM

Well done Scotty


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: action man on May 26, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
whats mccoy gatecrashing this for


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: railtard1 on May 26, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
sigh, wp snapper. taylors sky was  1-10 if it led round like it nearly did.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: action man on May 26, 2012, 10:49:05 PM
6/4, 3/1, 7/2, 7/2, 8/1, 10/1.

Worse than a flapping track.

Bookmakers at Wimbledon are an absolute disgrace.

disgusting keith, they know they would get away with it as its so busy, they prob just arb'd them all.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: horseplayer on May 26, 2012, 10:50:36 PM
nice work scotty well done

disgusting track show at the end there and even worse sky hyping it as a massive gamble



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
nice work scotty well done

disgusting track show at the end there and even worse sky hyping it as a massive gamble



This! It was still almost 7/2 on BF at the off.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: horseplayer on May 26, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
was a bit like the big race at haddock today with pretty much the whole field shortening on track

to be fair to Tanya Stephenson (not exactly my cup of tea but still) she said that was appalling and that nothing was value at this stage



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 26, 2012, 11:14:00 PM
whats mccoy gatecrashing this for

Was comedy, especially since he was picking Judicial Ruling pre-race.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Bigfella on May 26, 2012, 11:33:34 PM
well done scotty and wp Snapper, great nights racing.



Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: bobby1 on May 26, 2012, 11:37:55 PM
well done Scotty, really brill work there mate.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 27, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
Thanks everyone for the well dones, I'm made up. Also had a 20/1 and 7/1 winner on the night so can't complain - if those races had been after the final there could have been carnage.

Hope everyone made at least some profit tonight.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: The Camel on May 28, 2012, 02:51:35 AM
Apparently some people backed Ironman to start favourite at 9/2. Taking any price offered.

Then he was artificially shortened so he started jolly.

Absolutely stinks.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: Biddy 62 on May 28, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Happens everyday on all weather.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: The Camel on May 28, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
Happens everyday on all weather.

You can't bet on "who is going to start favourite for the 3.30 at Suthwell" on a Tuesday.

But yes, I agree market manipulation takes place, but the Greyhound Derby is suppose to b the showpiece of the sport.


Title: Re: Greyhound Derby final
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 28, 2012, 03:18:18 PM
Apparently some people backed Ironman to start favourite at 9/2. Taking any price offered.

Then he was artificially shortened so he started jolly.

Absolutely stinks.

It was 10/1 at start of day.