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Title: seemingly tough river spot Post by: pleno1 on May 24, 2012, 01:51:28 PM 600nl, villain 1 is v.aggro, villain 2 is passive fish, villain 3 is reg.
vil 1 opens to 18 from co vil 2 flats btn vil 3 flats history with villains 1 and 3 aren't really important. i have 3bet villain 2 around 7 times from the 9 times hes openes on another table and just in the very alst hand I 3bet vs him and bet flop and he folded. He has been very passive and hasn't chose to 4bet once. hero flats bb with Aspades 4s Flop is 5s 8s Ts It gets checked round Turn is 9h We lead 51 into 64, vil 2 calls. River is 5h We lead 135 into 166 He jams for 540ish. Thoughts? Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: rbc_mike on May 24, 2012, 02:08:00 PM Seems like we are beat at first glances, is he passive enough to check a set on the flop/just call on the turn with a set? Does he ever jam a 5 for value/as a bluff? Actually i highly doubt he would jam a 5 as a bluff based on the description you gave.
If he's aggro then its a harder decision imo, seems that this would be a weird spot for a passive fish to be ool. Is he ever doing this with a worse flush would be my real concern? He may think he's value shoving Ks Js or something. As a side note, I think donking the flop is good here. Given your v.aggro image, you can expect calls from top pair + flush draw, or like Ksx all day long, and builds the pot up nicely for later streets. Especially if there is a passive fish who isn't putting much money in the middle, you need to start building a pot now (this is a concept Bart Hanson talks about in his podcasts quite alot if you haven't listened to them yet). Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: Ironside on May 24, 2012, 02:11:21 PM I ask him if he has anymore chips lying around he wants to add to his stack before having to just call, can't see a boat here at all
Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: pleno1 on May 24, 2012, 02:52:02 PM im a fish. i should learn to fold.
#gottaknowwhentofoldem Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: rbc_mike on May 24, 2012, 03:13:06 PM Did he have quads?
Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: Mondeoman on May 24, 2012, 04:53:36 PM Looks like 99 - Although i have folded in a pretty similar spot and the fish showed me a straight (thinking he was raising for value!) but he was really bad. If the guys just a standard passive fish its an easy but painful fold. Looks like one of those spots where his value range that beats you is so narrow you can almost justify calling but in reality they pretty much always have it here.
Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: pleno1 on May 24, 2012, 04:55:44 PM Looks like 99 - Although i have folded in a pretty similar spot and the fish showed me a straight (thinking he was raising for value!) but he was really bad. If the guys just a standard passive fish its an easy but painful fold. Looks like one of those spots where his value range that beats you is so narrow you can almost justify calling but in reality they pretty much always have it here. yep agree with this completely and he ofc had 99. at least im not just putting it down to "std cooler" though. cheers. Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: cambridgealex on May 24, 2012, 05:05:13 PM Looks like 99 - Although i have folded in a pretty similar spot and the fish showed me a straight (thinking he was raising for value!) but he was really bad. If the guys just a standard passive fish its an easy but painful fold. Looks like one of those spots where his value range that beats you is so narrow you can almost justify calling but in reality they pretty much always have it here. lolajitaments Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: SuuPRlim on May 24, 2012, 08:58:36 PM Looks like 99 - Although i have folded in a pretty similar spot and the fish showed me a straight (thinking he was raising for value!) but he was really bad. If the guys just a standard passive fish its an easy but painful fold. Looks like one of those spots where his value range that beats you is so narrow you can almost justify calling but in reality they pretty much always have it here. KJ has it dowwwwwwn Title: Re: seemingly tough river spot Post by: AlexMartin on May 26, 2012, 01:36:22 PM idk tbh, cant see me folding this too often and i herofold v fish a lot.
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