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hand from a friend of mine, thought it was pretty difficult.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Entraction)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 16, 05:49:53 ET 2012
Table Solna (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $47.16 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.8, Hands: 3259
Seat 2: Player2 ( $52.25 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 2504
Seat 3: Player3 ( $96.24 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 4.2, Hands: 453
Seat 4: Player4 ( $68.24 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 268
Seat 5: Player5 ( $56.94 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 3, AF: 5.0, Hands: 94
Seat 6: Hero ( $136.83 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 645669
Player3 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [   Ahrt Jh ]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.50 USD]
Player2 raises [$6.75 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero ?


whats best hand we 4b/fold here? worst hand we 4b/call?

Your friend appears to have found the only table on Entraction with hardly any fishies.

He also appears to be a bit of a nit.

Binning Ahrt Jh here as the 3-bettor appears to be a competent reg and I would assume sees you as a nit. Probably 4b/f AQs+ and 4b/call AKs JJ+

Disclaimer: I am also a nit.

4b/folding aqs on this spot seems bad but happy to be persuaded otherwise, feels just too much of a value hand s a btn squeeze

4b/c QQ+ AK, folding everything else, never 4b/folding. It's not hard to beat this level, unless you make it hard.

Sanity FTW

erm, he should get his foundations right first, like being seated a table with a lot of value.

As played his 3b is 7%, hero opened utg+1, ur not getting exploited by a 50nl reg too often, fold quickly.

for someone who opens 20% of the time 1/5 and is effectively betting 3.75 to win 3.75 if he puts you on 77+ ATs +
then he is effectively knowing if you are a nit you will only continue with approx 1/3 of your hands therefore he is +EV raising you in postion

I am folding here. Range to shove is QQ+.  I am not sure shoving AK is +ev as there is likely a pair so depending on my read would flat that hand.

+1

What's with the 18/13 pre hero has? Strange for 6max no?

I think this is an easy pass, be aware of his 3bet vs you tho, and maybe play with some filters here, could be useful

As a perceived nit based on (18/13) I think he's squeezing alot lighter than what people think. Heros F3B stat would be useful.

AJs is a big meh hand in this spot.

Not sure I have understood you right, but it appears that you suggesting that villain will be 3betting more widely against hero than usual since hero is tight with his open raising range (18/13 etc). If this is what you are meaning, then it is backwards logic.

I definitely 3bet nits as much if not more than aggro guys, sure they aren't going to have trash in their range but they are still opening a lot of combos of hands and because they are nits they aren't going to be fighting back. For example squeezing in this spot looks incred.

3betting liberally against tight players may seem to work because you can go through stretches in which you run into the bottom of their ranges all the time. But as a long-term game plan it is completely the wrong approach to playing good poker. It's a bit of a cliche, but give action to action. Your value range should be massively constricted vs a tight player. And hence your bluff range should be correspondingly reduced. Otherwise you are completely out of line/unbalanced. Of course, if you are playing against a very bad weak-tight nit who doesn't know how to adjust then getting really out of line with your bluff/nuts ratios is a great exploitative strategy. But it will be doomed to failure if your opponent is competent. Not all tight players are bad players...

You don't exploit very tight players by 3betting them a lot... you CRUSH THEM by folding a lot

It totally depends if their fold to 3bet % = y and it's insanely profitable to 3bet the. It's almost always goIng to be better to 3bet, also gives us a lot more implied odds in future single and multi raised pots where the not will stack off a lot easier vs us than anybody else.

Tbh this is probably a good squeeze spot for villain, since many of the tight players at 50NL really will be helpless and unable to adjust.

However, this does NOT mean that in hero's shoes we should be doing anything other than folding. We can do all that levelling stuff if we want... you know, stuff like, 'He knows I am tight and fold a lot to 3bets, so he should be 3bet bluffing a lot vs me" etc. But in reality, very few villain's at 50NL are going to be good enough to take this into account. If they were good enough they would have moved up beyond 50NL already.

And, as I said, I do of course agree that against some tight players you can make money by running them over (especially vs nits that fold a lot to 3bets, never 4bet bluff, and play fit-or-fold in 3bet pots). But it is very important to be clear that this only works against a small percentage of tight players. In general, when a tight player shows interest in a pot we should tend to be looking for reasons to fold. When a loose player shows interest in the pot we should tend to be looking for reasons to call or raise. There are obviously times when this rule does not apply. But letting this philosophy permeate your overall play will help to keep you sane and playing well. Going out of your way to give aggressive action to nits is not a good way to maintain either sanity or a healthy bankroll.

with the absolute maximum respect (i think you are both heroes)

honeybadger/keys how much experience do you have in the last 12 months with 50nl?

None obviously. Does this mean we are not eligible to comment? To be fair, I have staked people who played 50NL, and I used to play a little bit of this limit every month just so I could keep in touch with what the games were like. If you tell me the games have radically changed and everyone is solid then I can't really argue with you since I have no evidence to support my case. But I still would not believe you ;)

no of course it doesnt mean you're not eligible to comment, obviously not. I do think that you both perhaps underestimate the players in the games a little bit, there ARE alot of regs, and the regs do watch videos and do try to improve. There are of course fish donating, but this happens at all stakes, the regs play very well pre flop and terribly post flop. I currently coaching 2 guys at nl50 and you both making me feel scared that I'm giving absolute duff information :D

The general advice I give is to play alot looser than what is "advised" and play as many post flop pots as possible as our edge will generally come from post flop pots in single raised as well as 3bet and 4bet pots where the "regs" lol, will not be comfortable as their plan doesn't extend too far from being able to 3/4/5bet with good frequencies.

There is however definitely spots where 4b/calling aj will be really standard.

Only vs their CO/Btn opens and even their 3b if in the blinds.

I do see what Honeybadger is saying but with 4 regs and 1 fish on a six max table (sigh for iPoker), it's kinda hard to make money so you have to bash the regs up sometimes. Admittedly I've sat their and had my ass whooped but rather that than giving them an easy ride.

I dont claim to be right or anything, just my perspective of trying to grasp 20NL and the amount of regs : fish.

I doubt a GTO strategy from opening a <<13% range from utg+1 would involve doing anything but folding with AJs. But yeah if you think the other guy is playing exploitably in a certain way then you can pretty much justify anything.