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Thin I know. It's the BIG FIVE EURO REBUY on Stars.FR! Incred comp, we're down to the final 6.

Payouts:

1: €2989.50 (16.754%)
2: €2185.70 (12.249%)
3: €1650.43 (9.249%)
4:  €1213.29 (6.8%)
5: €874.28 (4.899%)
6: €695.85 (3.899%)

PokerStars Hand #81165061416: Tournament #565640113, €4.50+€0.50 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXVIII (300000/600000) - 2012/05/29 3:11:45 WET [2012/05/28 22:11:45 ET]
Table '565640113 80' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: FENIXXX64 (4167909 in chips)
Seat 4: Sr Croissant (11254045 in chips)
Seat 6: G.Vivant (11168612 in chips)
Seat 7: Roroflush (6937072 in chips)
Seat 8: determiné187 (7529056 in chips)
Seat 9: gimmecashplz (6153306 in chips)
FENIXXX64: posts the ante 60000
Sr Croissant: posts the ante 60000
G.Vivant: posts the ante 60000
Roroflush: posts the ante 60000
determiné187: posts the ante 60000
gimmecashplz: posts the ante 60000
Sr Croissant: posts small blind 300000
G.Vivant: posts big blind 600000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sr Croissant [4s Ahrt]
Roroflush: folds
determiné187: folds
gimmecashplz: folds
FENIXXX64: raises 3507909 to 4107909 and is all-in
Sr Croissant:

So the shove is 6.8 bigs, and he's on the button, we're in the small with 19 bigs and chip leader. There's another 19bb stack (in the bb behind us) and the other three are 8-10bb stacks.

Taking into account ICM and Block theory considerations should we call (rejam) or fold?

Haven't seen many of villains hands, though he's played far above his share of pots, 3 and 4xing, making huge 3bets etc. Just been crippled in a cooler hand.

I'd hit the time bank and get monda on Skype

If monda was offline I'd fold

2nd A4o spot (same suits even WotRthechances), this was 2 levels earlier 7handed, he's shoved 6bigs from cutoff, we are sb, we have 33 bigs.


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PokerStars Hand #81164332178: Tournament #565640113, €4.50+€0.50 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXV (150000/300000) - 2012/05/29 2:40:54 WET [2012/05/28 21:40:54 ET]
Table '565640113 80' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: FENIXXX64 (13146445 in chips)
Seat 4: Sr Croissant (9944509 in chips)
Seat 5: itsatanasss (4697798 in chips)
Seat 6: G.Vivant (7828612 in chips)
Seat 7: Roroflush (5643064 in chips)
Seat 8: determiné187 (4034528 in chips)
Seat 9: gimmecashplz (1915044 in chips)
FENIXXX64: posts the ante 30000
Sr Croissant: posts the ante 30000
itsatanasss: posts the ante 30000
G.Vivant: posts the ante 30000
Roroflush: posts the ante 30000
determiné187: posts the ante 30000
gimmecashplz: posts the ante 30000
Sr Croissant: posts small blind 150000
itsatanasss: posts big blind 300000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sr Croissant [4s Ahrt]
G.Vivant: folds
Roroflush: folds
determiné187: folds
gimmecashplz: raises 1585044 to 1885044 and is all-in
FENIXXX64: folds
Sr Croissant:

First is a close fold but I'd call depending on factors like edge on others, top heavy prizepool or tilt
Second prob jam

Blinds 300k 600k??? You even get it in the title. Just one brag after another these days :)

Think I'm defo folding the first spot, against a relatively wide shove range we aren't doing great:

 611,292,528  games     0.031 secs    19,719,113,806  games/sec

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    43.730%     37.81%    05.92%         231129072     36191143.50   { Ah4s }
Hand 1:    56.270%     50.35%    05.92%         307781169     36191143.50   { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

2nd spot is closer to a call but its close.

That's an extremely tight shoving range imo. He has 7 bigs on the button, million he's folding J5o or Q2 or T5ss.


what can do bud, just explaining the hand as best I can. Didn't even mention how I had 12 MILLION CHIPS to start the hand with.

im fine with folding both. you'll find better spots than this imo.

EDIT: i prob iso A7o in both spots

Fold #1, Shove #2

Neither are particularly close imo

soz thought he was in the hijack. its closer then, but still think with icm considerations, it's an easy fold.

@MC is the deciding factor that we have 33bigs in the 2nd and 19 in the 1st?

Actually I read the 2nd hand wrong, thought it was for less big blinds, sigh.

So 2nd one is actually super close. But yes it is more of a call for that reason. I think you can do both, it's sort of borderliney.

Surely the deciding factor is the big stack sat behind.  We never call here, so it be ones shove or fold, and fold wins for me

Did you read the 1st one wrong as well  :P

The 1st one is close.

If we think that the BB is icm aware and knows he should fold AK here when we rejam then we need the btn to be shoving 60% to get A4 in here.

If however the bb is going to call with AK/1010 then we pretty much need the button to be jamming atc.

Haven't wiz'd the 2nd one but agree with shove.

Wiz'd the 2nd one just for the loveofthegame...

The spot is obv very different for the bb here and he should be calling with AK/1010.

We need c/o to be jamming 70% to reship A4 if the bb calling range incs those hands.

DefInitely don't agree that the guy is 100% jamming Q2o, J5o on the button when he's far from the clear shortstack

I think both are folds

yeh id expect him to snap fold q6 and j6

"3 and 4xing, making huge 3bets etc. Just been crippled in a cooler hand. "

Don't agree, sounds like a tilted fish so I'd expect he's jamming wide enough here.

2nd one is obv just villain dependant.

I agree with this.

Not like its an STT either pay jumps can be big to people at this stage.

I agree with MC, fold first and shove second loving my life with each decision.

You think unknown villain in hand 2 is more likely to jam 60-70% of his range than villain in hand 1 who we know is a fish and probably on tilt ?

This is .FR though.

The thinking isn't "ICM dictates I should fold everything bar AK and TT up",
it is more "tres bien, un ace", "mon cards are tres beau" and "I fold a pair pre I have to say au revoir to France"

the big rebuys are redic fun

this man knows. vive le france

My posts were about overall icm theory which I believe is what Alex wanted. If villain behind is going to call with Ax and 22, which I highly doubt even on .fr, then obv they're both snappity snap snapping folds.

This exactly