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Table 'Osita II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: LALA FIFI ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 2: jayc24062406 ($63.88 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO ($35.84 in chips)
Seat 5: oNsweep ($18.26 in chips)
Seat 7: Dusch799 ($29.84 in chips)
Seat 8: seanypud ($34.79 in chips)
Seat 9: Andreally221 ($24.56 in chips)
seanypud: posts small blind $0.05
Andreally221: posts big blind $0.10
LALA FIFI: posts the ante $0.02
jayc24062406: posts the ante $0.02
HERO: posts the ante $0.02
oNsweep: posts the ante $0.02
Dusch799: posts the ante $0.02
seanypud: posts the ante $0.02
Andreally221: posts the ante $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Aspades Ad]
LALA FIFI: raises $0.10 to $0.20
jayc24062406: calls $0.20
HERO: raises $0.50 to $0.70
oNsweep: folds
Dusch799: folds
seanypud: folds
phaze6666 joins the table at seat #4
Andreally221: folds
LALA FIFI: folds
jayc24062406: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9c Th]
jayc24062406: checks
HERO: bets $1.08
jayc24062406: raises $1.80 to $2.88
HERO: calls $1.80
*** TURN *** [Jh 9c Th] [2h]
jayc24062406: checks
HERO: checks
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9c Th 2h] [8c]
jayc24062406: bets $4.50
HERO: ???

We have a bit of history where I've basically taken a 3bet/cbet in position a few times and taken it down without showdown. He took a stand and checkraised me on J 6 6 and folded to my 3ball. Fair to say he's frustrated, but unsure whether he'd be checkraising with air after I 3bet him previously.

I just lost a big one all in pre within an orbit, so he may think I'm on tilt.

flop is a clear fold, we're crushed by his value range and even his bad bluffs have equity vs us, really easy fold.

pre flop i would make it $1 at 10nl, people just aren't going to fold to 3bets especially if they open UTG.

More pre, fold now obvs. Probably agree to folding flop, never chk raising a board that wet with worse. Probs has  Qh Qd

Qh Qd is worse than AA... just saying.

It is, well done pedantic one...

It may well be worse but thats what I would say he has seeing the hand.

Are we simply of the opinion that nobody ever bluffs and nobody ever folds at this level?

What I'm trying to get my head around is how poorly these players tend to judge their value range. As in, with any sort of dynamic I'm sure villains are going crazy all the time here with one pairs and decent kickers. Maybe that range is thin enough to fold flop as pleno suggests.

Just to clarify though, he's called a minraise utg+1, then called a 3bet; he's not the OR. Almost certainly doesn't have QQ.

I folded now, even though I toyed with the idea that the board run out has presented such an easy spot for him to bluff.

You dont need to bluff at 10NL. Not often anyway.
I misread hand, I thought it was OR, but still folding.

its a fold. you dont beat anything.

the only hands you beat is kk and qq. you would know preflop if he had either of those.

his overcall range is everything that hits that flop like pleno said.

its a sigh fold gg try again next time. but long term the right fold.

 It bores me to be this simple, but .... What he said ^^....

Also if you want to do a session gimme shout, I'm moving up after having gone through 10nl.... Fb me your Skype name.

Cliffs
Fold ainec.

Yeh was goIng to say that you two would compliment each other superbly

this doesn't make sense

I suppose I deserved that... :P

Wouldn't bet this flop

Correct, English was never great for me.

Qh Qd is the worst hand I think he turns up with here but highly unlikely to have.

Yeah this. I slept on it and looked at this and it's an absolute mess.

yeah as stated already, raise more pre and dont cbet this flop, or at least bet/fold. Horrible board for your hand and his range

out of interest, what site is this on? I play similar stakes