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The only live cash game near me is 50p  £1  - I've been sitting with the max 250 and most players sit with anything between 40 and 150

The pre flop game always plays the same, one pre flop raise and everyone else just calls for the ride pretty much no matter what they have. for instance  Ad Ac UTG raises to £3, there will be 5-6 callers,  Ad Ac UTG raises to £6 or £7, there will be 5-6 callers. If UTG calls for £1, 5 or 6 will then also callbut if Big blind makes it £7, everyone will still call for another six just to come for the ride. Everyone just wants to see a flop no matter the pre flop raise. Very little re raises pre flop. Post flop no one is folding if they have the slightest piece.

Just wondered If anyone can give insight into a proven strategy for this type of game?

To hear the reg players talk with all the sayings, explaining all the hands etc etc to hear them you would/could think they were really good players.

Be very selective with the hands you play

Play them aggresively

if 5/6 people have £6 in there when teh action gets to you - just pick up the £30 tyvm. If when you raise they peel JT, you are going to be printing money in the long run

where is said game please? :)

just play premium hands, and value bet the hell out of everyone. Dont bluff ever

in your example, if they are calling anything pre, then raise more pre. For example make it 10, or 12 UTG with aces

profit

It may seem like it's hard to beat these guys sometimes, when you go 7ways to every flop and you're big hands get beat everytime, but trust me these are the EASIEST games in the world to make money. I started off my living playing live 50/1 cash games just as you describe in Gala Nottingham and the Vic. Played about 6months solid 6or 7days a week, now I play in tougher games and higher stakes and trust me, I miss those games!

They require such little thought process it's like printing money in the long run.

Keeping raising your aces bigger until they start to fold, getting 3 callers of £10 is way better than 7 callers of £5 even though the pot is the same amount.

Value bet big, and wide, never bluff. Make disciplined folds when you know you're beat. It's really simple.

Good luck.

This is why blonde is such a great forum. If this was 4.com people would have come in and given piss taking answers and said OMG how can you not beat that game! etc etc

People taking time out to give genuine advice is pretty rare these days in poker.

I'd say the other thing to do in these sorts of games is to value position (as you would in any game, obviously), and to recognise that the other players don't and won't.

Great Replies, thank you

Alun I could not agree more with you, blonde is a great forum, to get genuine advice like this is gold, so thanks for all the replies!

I wanted to ask for any advice because i want to know if I can make it more profitable. I have played 5 sessions now, all winning ones. Im doing a lot of what you are all suggesting, but there are a few things that you have pointed out that i can and will improve on which will make me more profitable, so thanks :)

In the type of game i have described, any thoughts on the benefits/negatives in sitting with the max 250?  where most the table sits with 50-150?

Just struggling to get my head around why these players cant practice what they preach, They all talk such a good game, come across as pros in there talk - maybe it is just the gamblers in them that means they cant stop themselves?

pha i think.

You're best to sit covering the other players, so you can get the maximum value from your hands. 

I suppose it depends in part on how able you are to spot that you're beaten on the flop and how likely you'll be to act on that feeling.

not sure if that is in relation to how deep he should sit - but its not good advice

cover all if possible

Dont over think about or get bored, playing these games can mean you go 2 hours without getting a playable hand. try and make sure you still awake at 4am, after this time most the players in the game are chasing money and the easy money just got easier. Just value bet and hands that can make the nuts have extra value than normal ie. suited aces, when 7 people see a flop its surprising how often 2 people can make a flush and no one ever folds hands like flushes or straights no matter how big you bet

the deeper you sit the bigger your edge should be, your aim isnt to steal pots etc its too win a few big pots a night

Up to your level of comfort anyway. Just be a nit, it work

A Constantine Paperestis once told me #makehandsgetpaid - a mantra well worth sticking to in these games

The skill element will come from learning how to value bet your hands (like 1 pairs which are good on the river) - thats where you will max your profit

meh, i actually disagree about sitting deep.

the mistakes that they make very reguarly are calling 3bets too wide and making bad peels in general, the larger the stack sizes go the less of a mistake this is.

If you could play 100bb deep vs them the mistakes they make would be magnified and you could really start exploiting them.

Everyone sitting there with 100 BB, am I gonna raise to 25BB with red A A , no. So I raise to 10 BB say cuz I'm still fed up with limpaments and I get called by a semiunknown and a drunk. I've been sitting there like a nit all night and most of the table know what my 10BB bet means. Flop 9 T Q clubs, drunk bet 40BB, semiunknown is all in. Am I right to call, not really. Some people can fold red AA, some cannot, some it depends how they feel, even though it may be right to fold. Then whether you are able to do the right thing on the flop should configure your preflop bet, should it not? Correct me if I'm wrong, you have more expertise than me.

Why not?


This is not a valid thing to base you betsizing on.

As Alex pointed out, try raising more and more each time. Start at say 5, then next time 6 and keep going until you thin the field. The games Alex described at Gala were awesome for this. I remember one super deep game we were in, I was opening to 18 and getting 2-3 callers. Obviously you're only doing this with value hands though really.

Also you can be super exploitable with the fish in the game. If you have Aces, raise to say 7, if you have  9h Th raise to 4. It really is that easy lol

If I can, I do. Maybe the cash games with drunks down there are supersupercrazy, where I play although there is drunk craziness but still plenty of value from people who are cogent enough to know that a 25BB pfb is beating QQ.

I'm just trying to illustrate that I've seen plenty of situations where you're getting what you can in pre but there are situations where you shouldn't still be in the hand by the river and an enemy at the table is therefore the guy sitting in your seat who might not fold when he has to and you might want to remove that decisionmaking from him.


By 'I'm fed up with limpaments' I'm referring to the OP's desire to see flops where you have AA without 5 other players in the hand. This is a valid thing to base your betsizing on.

I know these games can be very frustrating and a lot of the time if you don't pick up enough above average hands, you'll be sitting around very board wondering why you can't beat a game this easy on a regular basis. Because in live poker you're only being dealt on average aroung 25 hands per hour it can seem very frustrating being card dead and losing in these kind of games but what you've got to remember is these are THE best games you can play in no matter how boring and annoying they can be. it should be very tough for your opponents to win big pots off of you on a regular basis because these are the type of players that play VERY face up post flop and you should be exploiting this.

Basically, I think in these games you can get away with playing completely unbalanced because non of the players should be good enough to exploit you. I'd recommend playing hands that make strong top pair hands, all broad way cards ofc are the vest for this and 88+ ofc. If you haven't already i'd start includung hands like KJo and A9 in you preflop raising range wuite regularly because these kind of players will always call with worse hands and you can take them to value town postflop. Also make your raises BIG, like £10+ over a limp because this should in theory narrow down their preflop limp calling range when it is for more money and therefore make it easier for you to assign them a range.

It also isn't as bad thing to overlimp suited connectors because if you're isolating these hands it it hard to make a top pair hand and I think that in the long run overlimping 22-66 in these games can't be too bad either because there aren't many good flops for these hands that don't flop a set. Nobody will click on to the fact you're raising with broadway cards/pairs and overlimping other hands that have potential value postflop but be careful not to get too loose in your overlimping range. Don't start including 56o etc because its easy to get caught up in the limping fun but stay diciplined and you will start to show profit.
 
To summarise, bet big for value, don't be ashamed to overlimp suited connectors, stick to good top pair hands and bet big postflop, don't give your opponents the opportunity to draw for cheap. Don't ever feel like you're being owned at any point, these people are just playing their cards and playing completely face up so when they a represents a certain hand they usually have it so just continue with the strategey and you will start to crush.

Sounds v similar to gala Leeds. Me and another guy started  to go higher and higher during one session and around £16/17 ish u can normally thin the field down to 1/2/3 callers it's not gonna be this every night/ table tho. Obv dint limp£1 /call £6 all night then suddenly raise £16 with a premium. Like the guy said before start at £6 then £7 etc til u reach the point ur looking for eg couple players to the flop. I find if it's limped 4/5 players £1 and then u make it £6/7/8 ppl jus call/call/ call . U have to make it £12+ to get a few folds.

dont play roulette

you beat these games by doing two things.

1) Making good, thin value bets.

2) Picking off the spazzy bluffs.

Just focus on these two things always at low stakes stuff, this is the simplest and most effective method, no need for any flair or fanciness here.