Title: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 09, 2012, 11:19:41 AM How can we possibly have this go to court?
I have just read that his maximum penalty is a £2,500 fine. For this we get 5 days in court? 5 days!!?!!?!?!?! How is that in the public interest? We pay to see this public circus, an for what, and pocket change fine? Is this some kind of joke? The punitive (knock on) repercussions should be irrelevant in a decision as to whether this goes to trial. What public benefit is there in either outcome? Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Linux on July 09, 2012, 11:23:29 AM https://twitter.com/danroan
Best way to follow it Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: prettygreen on July 09, 2012, 11:49:37 AM How can we possibly have this go to court? I have just read that his maximum penalty is a £2,500 fine. For this we get 5 days in court? 5 days!!?!!?!?!?! How is that in the public interest? We pay to see this public circus, an for what, and pocket change fine? Is this some kind of joke? The punitive (knock on) repercussions should be irrelevant in a decision as to whether this goes to trial. What public benefit is there in either outcome? If convicted i think the FA can fine a lit more + obviously ban him for a period of time. Disagree with it not being in the public's interest. Pretty sure unless Terry is the most misunderstood person in the world, he deserves some fairly hefty punishment. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 09, 2012, 11:53:50 AM How can we possibly have this go to court? I have just read that his maximum penalty is a £2,500 fine. For this we get 5 days in court? 5 days!!?!!?!?!?! How is that in the public interest? We pay to see this public circus, an for what, and pocket change fine? Is this some kind of joke? The punitive (knock on) repercussions should be irrelevant in a decision as to whether this goes to trial. What public benefit is there in either outcome? If convicted i think the FA can fine a lit more + obviously ban him for a period of time. Disagree with it not being in the public's interest. Pretty sure unless Terry is the most misunderstood person in the world, he deserves some fairly hefty punishment. The CPS shouldn't be making decisions on what the Fa might do Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: redsimon on July 09, 2012, 12:03:02 PM How can we possibly have this go to court? I have just read that his maximum penalty is a £2,500 fine. For this we get 5 days in court? 5 days!!?!!?!?!?! How is that in the public interest? We pay to see this public circus, an for what, and pocket change fine? Is this some kind of joke? The punitive (knock on) repercussions should be irrelevant in a decision as to whether this goes to trial. What public benefit is there in either outcome? If convicted i think the FA can fine a lit more + obviously ban him for a period of time. Disagree with it not being in the public's interest. Pretty sure unless Terry is the most misunderstood person in the world, he deserves some fairly hefty punishment. The CPS shouldn't be making decisions on what the Fa might do Pretty sure Terry opted for jury trial, normally dealt with in Magistrates Court. CPS had no say in that? Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: prettygreen on July 09, 2012, 12:06:52 PM How can we possibly have this go to court? I have just read that his maximum penalty is a £2,500 fine. For this we get 5 days in court? 5 days!!?!!?!?!?! How is that in the public interest? We pay to see this public circus, an for what, and pocket change fine? Is this some kind of joke? The punitive (knock on) repercussions should be irrelevant in a decision as to whether this goes to trial. What public benefit is there in either outcome? If convicted i think the FA can fine a lit more + obviously ban him for a period of time. Disagree with it not being in the public's interest. Pretty sure unless Terry is the most misunderstood person in the world, he deserves some fairly hefty punishment. The CPS shouldn't be making decisions on what the Fa might do I think it will be the FA that decide what to do based on what the CPS do Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Tal on July 10, 2012, 06:01:47 AM This isn't some chavvy scroat throwing out mindless abuse in between bites of his kebab at 3am outside Cindy's nightclub. It's the former England football captain, the captain of the European Champions. The CPS, when deciding on public interest, will factor in the individual's public image - if they have one. Sometimes it's the conviction above the punishment.
If found guilty - not that this will be relevant to the CPS - JT will likely face a ban and his sponsorship packages will be looked at (is terry as marketable a brand, post racism conviction?). Harry was hauled before the courts on what was at best sketchy evidence (whether he has done it doesn't matter; the defence tore the prosecution case to bits). Our criminal justice system is pretty good at making sure justice is both done and seen to be done. Above all, it's John Terry and my feelings on him are far from pleasant. He has been a fine footballer but this won't be the last time he's in trouble. If he is found guilty, he won't even get the Suarez wiggle room of "it's a cultural thing" and I hope people on the terraces and in the papers (and in the changing rooms) let him know how they feel. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: ScottMGee on July 10, 2012, 07:13:54 PM Interesting logic...if you can afford to pay the fine and expensive lawyers to argue your case in court you think the CPS should not bother?
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 10, 2012, 08:01:31 PM Interesting logic...if you can afford to pay the fine and expensive lawyers to argue your case in court you think the CPS should not bother? No, the logic is that we the tax payer are paying £xm to find out a bloke is a racist - great! Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: RED-DOG on July 10, 2012, 08:25:39 PM Interesting logic...if you can afford to pay the fine and expensive lawyers to argue your case in court you think the CPS should not bother? No, the logic is that we the tax payer are paying £xm to find out a bloke is a racist - great! I actually think a high profile case like this will do a lot to encourage less prominent victims challenge racism. If Terry is found guilty he will have to pay costs. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: gouty on July 10, 2012, 08:50:30 PM https://twitter.com/danroan Cheers for that. Excellent tweeter that chap. Best way to follow it I feel it should of been dealt with by FA. This can only be not guilty in court. Total waste of everyone's time and when a not guilty verdict arrives it sends an unwanted message to all. Young players now being told its fine to call players c***s during a match but if he gets not guilty for uttering black c*** then it's game over for junior soccer referees. I have witnessed some awful behaviour from parents at kids matches. They have little intellect and will see this as a green light to shout even more dross at their doting offspring. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 10, 2012, 10:10:47 PM Interesting logic...if you can afford to pay the fine and expensive lawyers to argue your case in court you think the CPS should not bother? No, the logic is that we the tax payer are paying £xm to find out a bloke is a racist - great! I actually think a high profile case like this will do a lot to encourage less prominent victims challenge racism. If Terry is found guilty he will have to pay costs. not court costs he wont Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: RED-DOG on July 10, 2012, 10:30:56 PM Interesting logic...if you can afford to pay the fine and expensive lawyers to argue your case in court you think the CPS should not bother? No, the logic is that we the tax payer are paying £xm to find out a bloke is a racist - great! I actually think a high profile case like this will do a lot to encourage less prominent victims challenge racism. If Terry is found guilty he will have to pay costs. not court costs he wont Why not? He elected to be tried at crown. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: AndrewT on July 10, 2012, 10:39:34 PM This is not a Crown court trial with a jury, it's a Magistrates.
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: RED-DOG on July 10, 2012, 10:54:54 PM Oh sorry. My bad. I thought he had elected to go to crown.
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: sovietsong on July 10, 2012, 11:59:30 PM does anybody think he could be innocent?
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Josedinho on July 11, 2012, 12:10:17 AM does anybody think he could be innocent? Yes. Not sure if I think he is or not as despite all the "Terry's a dick" stuff I've no idea how likely the bloke is to be a racist but certainly believe he could be innocent.Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: ScottMGee on July 11, 2012, 12:11:12 AM Quote does anybody think he could be innocent? He's got very expensive lawyers so now doubt he will be found innocent. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Tal on July 11, 2012, 12:41:14 AM Quote does anybody think he could be innocent? He's got very expensive lawyers so now doubt he will be found innocent. They have already been earning their keep. Defence asked for case to be dismissed on basis that the evidence against him is flimsy. Both sides have excellent lawyers. As with poker, if you have equal players (lawyers), you're likely getting a fair case. I expect, if found not guilty, he will appear in the dock in a Chelsea strip. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: sovietsong on July 11, 2012, 12:57:16 AM Quote does anybody think he could be innocent? He's got very expensive lawyers so now doubt he will be found innocent. They have already been earning their keep. Defence asked for case to be dismissed on basis that the evidence against him is flimsy. Both sides have excellent lawyers. As with poker, if you have equal players (lawyers), you're likely getting a fair case. I expect, if found not guilty, he will appear in the dock in a Chelsea strip. brilliant Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: nirvana on July 11, 2012, 06:29:48 AM does anybody think he could be innocent? Yep. Not his biggest fan but really doubt he's some kind of race hate figure who should be in the dock. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 13, 2012, 02:26:09 PM Shock horror - John Terry acquitted!
Millions down the drain and for what? An absolute joke! Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: david3103 on July 13, 2012, 02:55:12 PM Apparently it's ok to use racist terms as long as you convince people you are "not a racist" and then make them believe that it is possible "you didn't mean it like that"
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: smashedagain on July 13, 2012, 05:10:39 PM Farce IMO.
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: henrik777 on July 13, 2012, 05:43:55 PM His good name restored, John Terry is now celebrating by shagging his defence lawyer's girlfriend.
Sandy Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Tal on July 13, 2012, 06:02:26 PM Shock horror - John Terry acquitted! Millions down the drain and for what? An absolute joke! The crown doesn't just take on cases it knows it will win! Has to be in the public interest etc (which I think this is) but AA are sometimes beaten by 72o. There are no guaranteed results in court. Seems like this one wasn't evidentially strong but the issue of what can be said on the pitch is back in the minds of the players and players are reminded that they are not above the law. Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 13, 2012, 06:04:32 PM The prosecutions only witness didn't hear him say anything!
This trial has done a lot more damage than good and that was obvious from the outset Cost us millions! Great Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: smashedagain on July 13, 2012, 06:08:18 PM Expect riots off the back of this. When it stops raining obv. :)
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: redsimon on July 13, 2012, 06:09:32 PM The prosecutions only witness didn't hear him say anything! This trial has done a lot more damage than good and that was obvious from the outset Cost us millions! Great sure cost millions Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: outragous76 on July 13, 2012, 06:12:19 PM The prosecutions only witness didn't hear him say anything! This trial has done a lot more damage than good and that was obvious from the outset Cost us millions! Great sure cost millions ill give you odds - the extra policing alone probably ran into hundreds of thousands! Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: Acidmouse on July 13, 2012, 06:20:15 PM bill the off duty pig who complained and brought about the case...wp bill him the £1m costs.
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: redsimon on July 13, 2012, 06:34:57 PM You said it cost "us" millions. How much you want to bet? :)
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: DUNK619 on July 14, 2012, 09:34:31 AM Only opened this thread cos i was wondering who Terry Case is. feel pretty stupid right now lol
Title: Re: Terry Case Post by: david3103 on July 14, 2012, 09:53:33 AM bill the off duty pig who complained and brought about the case...wp bill him the £1m costs. How do you know his name? Judgement is pretty damning for a 'Not Guilty' |