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DTD 150 at the weekend. I've taken a few beatings so am in that shoving stack territory.

9 handed. Table is overly tight and will not call light. One spot to my right knows his ranges but everyone else probably folds A10 to a 10bb shove.

To give an idea of how tight it is I got looked up by AK with a similar stack to mine and chip leader with over 1M passed QQ!!

I've got 240k at 12k/24k + 4k

Blinds go to to 15k/30k + 4k in about 2 mins just in time for my big blind.

I've got 55 utg and decide to ship. This was actually the bottom of my range for shoving in this spot.

Too light or about right?

It's fine, ul :P

Jamming all pairs at said table esp when blinds are about to go up.

seems fine

Thought it was ok. What about non pairs?

KJs, most suited aces, A9?

Jamming about 20-25% so 22+,AT+, Axs, K6s, Q8s... would be my normal range, probably jam bit wider with described table though.

q8s seems a little wide? q10s would be at bottom of my range, but sure that you are correct

K6ss utg 10bbs rly?

oh yeah would shove k10s+ k9 dpeending on table/when blinds are going up/payjumps

In turbos/180s that's definitely right. Obv live our ranges should be a little different but if people are really folding A9 then I don't think it can be wrong, especially when blinds are about to go up.

We have 5bbs eff. Didn't realise how big the ante was, I'd jam a little wider.

Shoving Q8s but folding A9o?

Seems a bit of an odd one tbh. I understand we like to have 'live' cards when we get called but this seems a bit of a stretch.

We are gunna be crushed versus there ranges with A9 a lot, plus we can made dem straights and flushes with Q8s.

Yeah very clear shove and should deffo be shoving wider. At the risk of sounding like a broken record in these thread antes make so much of a difference here. 4k antes are bigger than normal here especially 9 handed.

Top 25% looks about right to me here.

+1 to Monda and Longy

My first thought was that shoving with pocket fives UTG, nine handed was just a bit too risky, although, the soon to increase blind levels make it a very difficult spot.
 It almost seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you dont.
By my calculations, based on a calling range for all 8 villians of 99+
Hero (Matt Evilpie) Will win without showdown 76.44% of the time
                                 win at showdown  4.55% of the time
                                 lose at showdown  19.01% of the time
This gives an expected value of shoving of +23609 chips (1bb)
 My calculations ignore the showdowns against two high cards, which are pretty much a flip anyway.
If villians lower their calling ranges, from 99+, AJ+, it would make it even closer.
 Although i know the outcome, i wouldn't criticise folding or shoving. All things considered its a very close call IMO.
 Unlucky Matt-Very Well Played.

Got the ante wrong. My bad. It was 3k at this level but then 4k at the next level. Doesn't make too much difference I guess.

On a ft like this, are we not better off not just jamming ever sb/btn/co/hj with any playable hands instead of taking a spot with the maximum opportunity for someone to wake up with a hand? I think its a +ev jam, but would rather jam the next time its folded round to me in later position. its not like we don't have fold equity with 6-7bb anyways.

Final table ?

Saw blind levels and presumed. My bad. Still think my thoughts are somewhat correct.

Or we could take all these spots as well as shoving this UTG and make even more money. Turning down clear +ev spots like this is only serving to reduce our roi.

Always going in here with any pair for me, especially when people are folding QQ...

Maybe you could have waited for someone to flop a royal flush, and then started betting into them? :dontask:

its a deffo shove, even this nit gets it in there

Shit ton of variance in these spots tho, if its FT, how bad can a fold be when we have a big edge and a marginally +ev decision.

When we have 10bbs how big can our edge be? I am pretty sure our edge becomes smaller when we start passing up spots like this, which is a clear shove.

If we have to take a bit of variance to get a 20+bb stack where we actually can start pushing our "edge" more effectively than so be it.

Basically yes i am saying a fold is pretty bad.

They aren't I'm afraid. 55 is virtually a fistpump jam. If we can shove 22, JTs etc, then we should be quite happy about shipping fives.

Shovebot speaks.
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