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No........ thankfully not a blondeite but regular Notts player with previous form is a cheat!!!!

Here's how / why!
Last night I was roped into dealing at Gala for the Thursday PLH 20 comp - no-one else would do it so I stepped forward and dealt on my table all night until it was broken. After a few hours, one of the regulars came and sat on our table. Next to him appeared his friend and same village buddy.

The action passed around to these 2 guys in the blinds. matey boy 1 is first to act and makes up the small blind. Dirty cheating colluding bastard checks. The flop brings 3 rags and they both check, the turn is also checked by both players and the river brings a 3rd club on the board. Matey village boy leads out and bets 1000 points (about half the pot).  Dirt cheater looks at his cards and just calls. OK! - nothing wrong so far you might think!

Matey boy proceeds to flip over his baby 6-high flush. I say must be the winner and go to give him the pot. Cheater then flips over his cards.. The Ace and two of clubs (the stone cold, unbeatable, un-contestable NUTS!). The table gasp and a murmur starts, I give the dirty colluding cheat the chips and proceed to begin the berating. I ask him how can he just call with the absolute nuts on the end with no other players in on the action. The dirty colluder who is a shifty and un-trustworthy looking character just shrugs and says oh, I forgot to raise. Matey boy  looks kind of embarrassed and I suppose cant really be to blame (interesting that he bet his flush! - I wonder whether he would have back-raised on the end if roles were reversed? - probably not!) This whole situation didnt go down well with the table and I refuse to deal another hand until it got sorted. I immediately call over the management Rob was on a break and I didnt really get much help from Benz (his assistant for the evening). I made sure the whole room knew what had happened and all players I spoke to were disgusted by this blatant collusion and anti-competitive behaviour.

Anyway, I didnt let this rest for the whole time I dealt at that table and the very next round, the very same battle of the blinds occurred again with matey boy making up the small blind and scum bag checking. This time I just dealt the entire flop, turn and river really quickly and didnt even look up at the players. As soon as the river was dealt I just looked at them both and said ok fellas lets see em -they were not impressed but I hope I made my point!

Anyway, I am told by a much respected youngish blodeite poster and TV personality that this may not be the first time the above person has been involved in this sort of situation so if this other blondeite to which I refer feels like elaborating with details please do so.

The lesson here though is surely to play your game regardless of who is at the table as it will inevitably cost you. matey boy went on to make the final (7th) and cheat boy didnt! - Good!

If anyone wants to comment please do so or if anyone knows of any other cheats that should be named and shamed on the forum then lets have it. Lets get the cheats out of the game! - or just at least tell me that you are as disgusted as i was by this behaviour.

I love the dealing of the flop, turn and river at once. ;D

I made the final 3 in Notts with 2 of the "same village" lot. Between hands all I got was a foreign language between them and new offers of a deal. I eventually took the deal because I knew what was coming. A massacre. Now I really wish I hadn't taken it as I simply wasn't offered enough money.

I have also been sat at a final there where I've bluffed someone out of a pot with J10 off to which there was much talking coming from behind me to the person I bluffed in another language. Afterwards the guys who I bluffed out came up and said "So you bluffed me with J10?". Now I don't mind showing my cards when I make a bad call or when I get called after a bluff, but that just wasn't on. Who knows what else some of the same village lot have been told from "spectators" of the final.

Good thing my old man is teaching me every language and dialect known to Asia. If I ever hear anything in those languages I shouldn't the cardroom management will be told straight away.

thanks for letting us know about the cheats but when you name and shame them you could use there name i wont mind and it will forwarn me if i ever bump into them.

baron are you telling me you can speak a language other than english at the table, there is an english only rule on all internet sites and even at the festival in NORWAY surely in ENGLAND they can inforce an all english rule

Soft play just isnt on. I do my damndest to get every chip at the table nomatter who i am up against. If a friend decides to tangle with me in a pot then so be it but it is probably a mistake. Both colluders should be thrown out imo or at the very least a yellow card/sinbin.

How?

In the example above an observer said something in a foreign language to help his mate out. What can be done about it?

Warn them? The damage has already been done...

Punish the player? He has not done anything wrong - someone else has and there is no proof of what was said or even that it was directed at him, punishing someone because they can speak a language seems blatantly unfair to me.

The only thing i can think of would be an instant X minute suspension from the card room for anyone (player or observer) speaking in a language other than english. That seems a liitle harsh to me  ???

Ironside - i have removed names after at first thinking it was a good idea to name them but you never know - they might have someone in their village who is a lawyer and they might try and get me for deffamation of character or something - when you make your debut at Notts i'll have a quiet word with you.

Ariston - i agree, i want EVERY chip! - my Dad was sat next to me when i was dealing and everytime after this incident for a few hands i kept saying things like "there you go Dad, one ace for you one ace for me", and then i started counting my way round the table as i dealt - with my Dad in seat 5 i would go "1,2,3,4,ACE,6,7" - but seriously i must have re-raised him 3 times and would never dream of slow playing. iF ANYTHING I AM MORE COMPETITIVE AGAINST HIM. - the same village people just don't understand. Although when you hear them talk to each other they seem to have 10% with just about everyone! - how they ever profit in a comp i just don't know!

Kick em in the bollocks then out the door.

tell you what send me there name in a PM and i'll name them lawyer or no lawyer i aint got any money for them to sue me for

Ironside, I know what you're saying, and I agree but in Notts it's "English when the cards are dealt" meaning between hands anything goes. Bad I know.

They obviously need to change this rule. 

There has been a subculture of cheats operating for years.

Many rules need changing imo.

I have PM'd our cardroom manager about this with names so hopefuly we can get something done.  They should be spoken to about this and if caught again should be banned from playing as they are not doing so in the spirit of the game.

I actually approached Ash about this situation (Ash is the most regular of regulars and thinks he is the boss at Gala and i suppose he does tend to be the unofficial arbitrator amongst the same village crew) and he did have a word with the 2 fellas but the 2 concerned didn't really seem to care.  Although Ash did say that they were best advised not to do it when he was on the table or there might be some car park acion as a result (or somehting along those lines!) - although wouldn't want to quote what was said as i didn't quite catch it!

we need an official ruling on this and an official and appropriate action to be taken!!!

Out of intrest junior how did you get on / where did you finish last night?

exactly mate, Do you see Howard lederer and Annie going easy on each other, i dont think so, this shite is disgusting, and just bring the game down!!!

These people should defo have been Banned sinned etc etc!

I use Tournament Directors Assocation rules and there are a few rules which should have been used:-


14  English-only  The English-only rule will be enforced during the play of hands.


33  Penalties  Penalties available for use by the TD are verbal warnings, 10, 20, 30, and 40 minutes away from the table and may be used with discretion. These may be utilized up to and including disqualification. A player who is disqualified shall have his chips removed from play. 


34  No discussion  Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play. 


Personally as Tournament Director I would have been watching the tables like a hawk anyways.  If anybody tries to utter any word not english I would have warned them at the time and then given at least 20min penalties

Its hard to advise without actually being there, but I have seen soft play and it just isn't on at all!! 

rule 14 should read english only in the card room

Junior you are only just scratching the surface here mate.

What you describe is only the mildest form of cheating, cheating nevertheless.

If you think that Ash "the cockroach" Abdullah will assist you in any of these matters

I strongly suggest that you think again.

wall - i finished 4th last night - made a move which would have ultimately put me in a position to win the comp outright. - in essence i was playing to finish either 4th or 1st. - so reasonably happy overall it just really pissess me off to see action like that.

ralph - i was more looking to ash for his views and he was quite vocal against collusion - i can't really comment on other forms of cheating as i believe this has now been largely erradicated in the comps at Notts since the 'must cut' rule was brought into place

That's what the signs say at the Riverboat. I've heard a bit of foreign speaking & the guys doing it were warned (& had the grace to look embarrassed).

he rule used in most cardrooms has always been "English only in the Cardroom" for the exact reason of railbirds "helping" friends.

This is a problem everywhere but not seen it to that extent for a while, personally as you seem to have a bit of hard evidence about it the supervisor should have a discreet word and possibly impose a temporary ban to drill the message home that this sort of thing will not be tolerated, but maybe now exposed it will be stopped.

Same village play happens all over and is hard to do anything about but if it came to it you can always have them for ungentlemanly conduct lol

No one seems to come from my village  :(

splutters tea  ;D

there are players like that in every comp i have played in
in my local comp there are about 4 groups with 4 or so in each, the whole casino knows what they do,

one time i remember there was 2 of the ^groups^ in the final, they wanted to deal strait out, but never the less i refused and eventually did a deal 3 way me takein the most :)

most of the time though the Cheaters dont seem to prosper we even have 4 players in our local cash game who cheat with each other and lose a small fortune about 9-10 games,   in my experience though the pepole who soft play each other are actually doing themselves out of the money/chips by not takeing advantage of there good handsr, so i prefer them to do it because in the long run it costs them, 



anyway thats my view,  let them cheat from my experience its a disadvantage to them

stu

good point stu!
there is no way you can maximise the amount of chips you can win if you can only take them from 8 out of 10 players on a table.

Greg.....I've been fighting a loosing war with cheats at Gala for years.
It is without doubt the most infested casino in the uk.
Most poker players know who the cheats are, and I suspect so does the casino staff and managment.
The cheats are under the illusion that cheating is part of the game.
As I've recently said to a few of them, If ever I got cought cheating [ that, will never happen....I'm too good.. lol ] the shame of it would keep me at home forever,but they just laugh it away,as if, ahh well, never mind be more carefull next time.
We have lost quite a few players because of cheating, but the casino seem to listen to players who give them ' ACTION 'on the house games, rather than players whom they know to be honest and trustworthy.
The answer...dont know... but must rest with the casino.

whilst not as rife as it used to be (depsite being told AND shown by tikay & myself on many occasions), same village play is still out there in nottingham.

re-education is what's needed as most guilty parties don't see anything wrong with it.

methinks something in bold on the notice board & a verbal warning to all from rob might be the way forward

I reckon they should bring in Rentokill !

Well I knocked my best bud out of the later stages of the 250 at Notts, so my hands are clean.  ::)

I felt guilty, but that's poker.

Nice to hear from you Kim.
I believe that cheating in the comps is now only possible through colusion as cutting the deck has now surely made it impossible to set the deck in anyone's favour? - thoughts? - unless you know otherwise, i would be interested to know if you want to send me a provate message.  I know for a fact and through observation that prior to the cut rule there were dealers (who incidentally don't want to deal now... cough!) who could set the deck in their favour especially in the first hand of the evening when they had their hands on the deck for minutes prior to the first deal.

i know the cash game is crook (player dealers etc.) - so why do you put up with it Kim, i know you are a regular player in the cash game - i stil to this day have not put a penny into tha cash game in over 3 years as i just wouldn't feel comfortable.

Anyway, I have said in an earlier post that i have private messaged the card room manager and you are right, it does lie with them and i suppose all we can do about it for now is to recognise for ourselves who they are and avoid them - although there should be punnishment.

Poor old Rob!!!! he got so much to do

oh for a peaceful straightforward life. ::)

points taken on board guys.... we'll see

Final Table in Notts a couple of years ago Angelo from a mid position Raises 7000 blinds at 1000/2000. Basher
Made a all-in bet leaving Angelo 1500 to call I'm sitting to the left of Angelo. Angelo then passes but not before showing me
AK and giving me a smile. Now I am not saying in the slightest they were cheating but I just thougt why show me your cards
and then give it a smile. I put it down to Angelo having the perfect read but not calculating the pot odds. We live and Learn.I would like to know of a sport/passtime which involves so much money that things just happen without being questioned.    

I think I proved my point about no friends at the table in the Blackpool main event, anybody there will know what Im talking about and I must admit it is the only time I have ever felt bad about knocking someone out. You simply cannot have any friends at the table.

All of a sudden we are discussing ariston !

I feel an advert is in the air   ;)

by the way anyone needing  rakeback lol. Only kidding mate. I hate soft play by anyone and if a friend tried it with me at the table tomorrow I would bet him out of every pot on pronciple, there is no room for it in poker.

Worst thing was the cash tables in Vienna, with a lot of Asian people at the table, jabbering on on native tounge all along, and if only Asian people were left in the pot after flop, they just split the pot. Disgusting.

At a final table, nobody should be stood anywhere close to it,   6ft away minimum :)

Railbirds behind the line ty