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PokerStars Hand #83239827744: Tournament #2012070004, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (700/1400) - 2012/07/13 2:43:02 WET [2012/07/12 21:43:02 ET]
Table '2012070004 412' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Thabiso2 (123975 in chips)
Seat 2: edroqui07 (133969 in chips)
Seat 3: panasonic589 (10731 in chips)
Seat 4: o_siro (60285 in chips)
Seat 5: rolfjuunjor (270232 in chips)
Seat 6: anthonyshark (4488 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: xmasasx (106912 in chips)
Seat 8: geoffowen (205545 in chips)
Seat 9: Demonic16 (253396 in chips)
Thabiso2: posts the ante 175
edroqui07: posts the ante 175
panasonic589: posts the ante 175
o_siro: posts the ante 175
rolfjuunjor: posts the ante 175
anthonyshark: posts the ante 175
xmasasx: posts the ante 175
geoffowen: posts the ante 175
Demonic16: posts the ante 175
anthonyshark: posts small blind 700
xmasasx: posts big blind 1400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Jh Kc]
geoffowen: raises 1750 to 3150
Demonic16: raises 3850 to 7000
Thabiso2: folds
edroqui07: folds
panasonic589: folds
o_siro: folds
rolfjuunjor: folds
anthonyshark: folds
xmasasx: folds
geoffowen: calls 3850
*** FLOP *** [5d 4c Qs]
geoffowen: checks
Demonic16: bets 6995
geoffowen: calls 6995
*** TURN *** [5d 4c Qs] [3c]
rolfjuunjor is disconnected
geoffowen: checks
Demonic16: bets 14400
geoffowen: raises 20653 to 35053
Demonic16: raises 24947 to 60000

Hes been fairly tight, 18/16, I've been playing 20/17 with 11% 3bet, nothing early position though, and not a lot since he has been at the table (45 hands) About 6 hours in and 40 from the money. Pretty capped at AQ, might have the lower PP but i expect a flopped set to c/r here a lot of the time.

Still got a PSB left on the end, thoughts? inb4wannabpleno

Hey just always have it ere I think. I assume he didn't an he folded but generally with positions and actions so far he just always has it. Expect to see sets and kk plus here almost always.

I'd also really advise not trying to do these things, timing literally has o be perfect and at the micros they can always just roflcall.

These sorts of hands are like sleeping with a sexy latina chica when you're already seeing a foxy irish bird who's well out of your league in the first place.

You know you shouldn't do it, and it's probably a bad idea, but sometimes you just HAVE to do it and sometimes you get away with it.

Everyone will tell you it's a bad idea but sometimes your gut and feeling goes the other way and you just have a feeling it's going to work out.

Posting these hands on PHA is pointless though, because everyone always says what Pleno has posted and you'll leave thinking "meh probably wasn't a good idea but I knew it was gonna work and it did so so what?". And you'll still do it the next time, rightly or wrongly.

Pleno posted a hand where he went beserk with T5o and not a single good player backed him up on any of his thought processes. Did he leave the thread thinking he was wrong? Did he fuck. And maybe he wasn't. Sometimes you just know.

He also rips into John Black everytime John does something like this, even though some of Johns reasons are very similar to the reasons behind the T5o hand. It's never the same when you're not at the table.

I went beserk vs Pleno in some spanish 1.5k donkament pre in a ridiculous spot for no reason whatsoever. (Basically completed the sb after a limper with K9ss at 100/200, Pleno made it 10bbs from the bb to get it in vs limper who had ten bigs, the limper called allin, then I backraised 25bb to get rid of pleno and get it heads up with the shortie! Utter madness!) I felt really strongly that pleno would fold and the limper had a massive range and I was getting 2:1. Totally bonkers but it felt right at the time. Pads folded 88 and I was heads up vs the limper. OK the limper had Aces and I lost but that's not the point!!

Rambling here. You get the drift?

You ALWAYS have to do it.

What are you representing here, I find in these spots we're repping our opponents hand. What's he calling pre, and on the flop with, I think he has a Q here more often than not, and possibly even a small set. Saying that I fully expect to see air/fold if you show us the results. Like Alex said, sometime you just know(or think you know), and game flow convinces you it's the right thing.

But there is a differnece between putting pressure on what is perhaps a weak range and 3betting the turn after a guy in a $3 tournament calls a 3bet from UTG and then c/raises a Q high board.

The main reason why I try to discourage John from doing these things is you have to be right SO OFTEN, and this just comes from playing hundreds of thousands of hands and understanding situations./ If John played 200,000 hands of 25nl and then 100,000 hands of 50nl and does something then I'm very likely to call it sexy rather than spewy.

There is a VERY thin line between sexy and spewy and I agree with you that we should definitely not post hands like this in PHA as generally it is very situation dependent.

However with Adam's hand here it is almost ALWAYS likely to fall on the SPEWY side of the spectrum because of the actions made.

Players DON'T raise turns without good hands, especially with the action like this.

when it works = sexy

when we get called by 4th pair = spewy


agree with Alex mostly - bluffs rarely get credit in PHA - as they are 100% dependant upon your image/their image and game flow. This in itself is almost always impossible to portray.

When its a "good bluff" or "good card to bluff", people will say "its an obv bluff card so they might call"

As for bluffing in $3 MTT's - do it sparingly

disagree 1mirrion%

show me the guy who bluffs off 180bbs, gets hero'd and celebrates

Constant Rikenberg (sp?)

I certainly will never post hands to massage my ego. Posting results and discussing blowups has never effected me in that way, and i certainly am not using PHA to brag in 3$ rebuys... As it happens, he called the turn raise, the river was a King, he checked and i checked back. I was planning on shoving most rivers, and probably should have bet this one, but as it happens i was a bit like "wtf am i doing"

This didn't really play like a 3$ mtt for the most part, the play was very deep and soft throughout, but quite a few decent players remained due to the obscene nature of the structure.

Notes taken on posting hands like this, obviously it is at least a little spewy, and this is pretty much the response i wanted, a "wtf is that" would have suited me nicely. I kind of agree with Alex, and have been testing some ridiculous shit in tournaments lately. Its worked for the most part, and i can't really complain. I've run ok lately, but not fantastic when deep, but if you look at my opr my game is showing vast improvements. Just wanted someone to say, a little unnecessary.

I think its fine up until you don't fold to the turn check/raise. It might be slightly unnecessary in a spot where you probably don't need to worry about balance and you can just be value heavy and still expect randoms in a tournament like this to play bad vs you. You're deep enough that I might go a bit bigger with the 3bet but I don't think it's a huge deal, my sizing would probably be a bit bigger on flop aswell