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Title: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Mitch on July 16, 2012, 11:30:01 AM
Dont know if anybody has had to go through this, as most places seem to fill in the paper work and get you an ITIN number when u cash out, but The Golden Nugget said it wasnt their policy to do the tax forms for non US players.

As i didnt have my number on me they took the tax when i cashed out, which came to nearly $4k.

Ive got the recipt form (1042-S) with all the info on etc and have since found my ITIN number.

Anyone know the best way of going about getting it back now im in the UK?

It has the 'witholding agents' address on, but no website or clear instructons to getting it back.

Any help appreciated, cheers.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: RED-DOG on July 16, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
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Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Dry em on July 16, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: doubleup on July 16, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
when i cashed out, which came to nearly $4k.



thin


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: redsimon on July 16, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
Had to fill in a US tax return when it happened to me in 2004 got ITIN after filing so it might be similar now? Got mine from American Embassy in London (by post).


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Mitch on July 16, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

Yeah, my bad, just presumed they all just did the paperwork for you now.

I went back to the Nugget on the way to the airport with the number, but he gave me some shit about having to have the actual form, and also claimed that in such cases, if the money is not claimed within 3 days, they send the tax off.

Expect its gonna be a nightmare trying to re-claim it now.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Mitch on July 16, 2012, 11:58:53 AM
Had to fill in a US tax return when it happened to me in 2004 got ITIN after filing so it might be similar now? Got mine from American Embassy in London (by post).

Thanks.

All the methods ive come accross so far involve sending a letter off, for them to send me another letter back, for me to send them back.

Seems very long winded not to have an online option somewhere.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Simon Galloway on July 16, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: claypole on July 16, 2012, 12:01:27 PM
Had to fill in a US tax return when it happened to me in 2004 got ITIN after filing so it might be similar now? Got mine from American Embassy in London (by post).

Thanks.

All the methods ive come accross so far involve sending a letter off, for them to send me another letter back, for me to send them back.

Seems very long winded not to have an online option somewhere.

Send pizzled a PM Mitch, he had some tax from Biloxi or somewhere iirc, however I think it took him like over a year to get it


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: MC on July 16, 2012, 12:01:58 PM
I had to claim back a few years ago.

Definitely some kind of form involved, I think you can request it online. I think I sent some kind of e-mail to the American Embassy to ask about it. I know the Borgata helped me by e-mailing me something as well.

It actually wasn't overly difficult. Sorry I can't remember more.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: redsimon on July 16, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Had to fill in a US tax return when it happened to me in 2004 got ITIN after filing so it might be similar now? Got mine from American Embassy in London (by post).

Thanks.

All the methods ive come accross so far involve sending a letter off, for them to send me another letter back, for me to send them back.

Seems very long winded not to have an online option somewhere.

Yeah very old school in how they deal with it. Form is massive (more like a book!) but only tiny bit relates to what you need and once i sent it back got a cheque for tax pdq (in $ though)


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Jon MW on July 16, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

That was my first thought as well

I think the main lesson to be learned isn't about ITIN numbers though - it's more, don't play at the Golden Nugget as they don't seem to want any business off of overseas players


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Dry em on July 16, 2012, 12:20:49 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

You seen how often these kids lose their phones? Only just more often than they lose passports


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Woodsey on July 16, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

You seen how often these kids lose their phones? Only just more often than they lose passports

My orange phone backs up my contacts to their server, worth doing that if your provider offers that service.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: redsimon on July 16, 2012, 12:29:06 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

That was my first thought as well

I think the main lesson to be learned isn't about ITIN numbers though - it's more, don't play at the Golden Nugget as they don't seem to want any business off of overseas players

I think its more likely that the staff guy would've sorted it for a $20 tip as that seemed to grease the wheels at the Nugget a lot (to be fair they were very welcoming during the Grand Series to us foreigners, showing footy on screens etc).


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: tikay on July 16, 2012, 12:38:26 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

That was my first thought as well

I think the main lesson to be learned isn't about ITIN numbers though - it's more, don't play at the Golden Nugget as they don't seem to want any business off of overseas players

I think its more likely that the staff guy would've sorted it for a $20 tip as that seemed to grease the wheels at the Nugget a lot (to be fair they were very welcoming during the Grand Series to us foreigners, showing footy on screens etc).

Yup, I heard that they even put the names of Brit winners on a lovely Leader Board.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: redsimon on July 16, 2012, 12:43:14 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

That was my first thought as well

I think the main lesson to be learned isn't about ITIN numbers though - it's more, don't play at the Golden Nugget as they don't seem to want any business off of overseas players

I think its more likely that the staff guy would've sorted it for a $20 tip as that seemed to grease the wheels at the Nugget a lot (to be fair they were very welcoming during the Grand Series to us foreigners, showing footy on screens etc).

Yup, I heard that they even put the names of Brit winners on a lovely Leader Board.

[ ] thin :)


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Marky147 on July 16, 2012, 12:50:40 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

That was my first thought as well

I think the main lesson to be learned isn't about ITIN numbers though - it's more, don't play at the Golden Nugget as they don't seem to want any business off of overseas players

I think its more likely that the staff guy would've sorted it for a $20 tip as that seemed to grease the wheels at the Nugget a lot (to be fair they were very welcoming during the Grand Series to us foreigners, showing footy on screens etc).

Sure would have.....

As it was obviously gonna be about 4k they took, I suggested to old Clark Kent in the Nugget cardroom for a $50 they could just give him a number and his response was 'No we don't do that here, it has to be done the proper way and he can claim it back later'

I've got one from 2006 the woman at the Rio sorted out, but I can't remember it. The first thing I'll be doing next year is getting one from Bellagio or Palazzo before I start playing. Given how this year went more likely than not I won't need it, but better to be safe than sorry :)

I presume it will be easier to get another number as opposed to finding out the one I used before?

When I chopped one at the Nugget in 2009 they just weighed us all in and there was no talk of ITINs or the like anyway, so quite confused as to what's caused them to get all jobsworth this year.......


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: brookie on July 16, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
so with me going next year how ho do u get the number anyone know


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: redsimon on July 16, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: kinboshi on July 16, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
when i cashed out, which came to nearly $4k.



thin

Not an accusation generally levelled at Mitch...


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: henrik777 on July 16, 2012, 03:30:15 PM
Doesn't help you in this case but write your ITIN number on the inside of the back cover of your passport so you have it on hand when cashing out

ORRRRRR... store it as a contact in your phone??

You seen how often these kids lose their phones? Only just more often than they lose passports

My orange phone backs up my contacts to their server, worth doing that if your provider offers that service.

I wouldn't trust orange with my sweetie wrappers. Wankers.

Sandy


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: doubleup on July 16, 2012, 03:37:31 PM
so with me going next year how ho do u get the number anyone know

You can't get a number unless you have a cash more than $5k.  Most of the bigger venues will fill in the form for you and you won't get any deduction, if you have your passport.  The number is meant to be posted out to you later (tho I never got mine when I cashed ,<thin>)


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Jon MW on July 16, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
so with me going next year how ho do u get the number anyone know

You can't get a number unless you have a cash more than $5k.  Most of the bigger venues will fill in the form for you and you won't get any deduction, if you have your passport.  The number is meant to be posted out to you later (tho I never got mine when I cashed ,<thin>)

I got mine about 3 months later <also thin>


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: brookie on July 16, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
so with me going next year how ho do u get the number anyone know

You can't get a number unless you have a cash more than $5k.  Most of the bigger venues will fill in the form for you and you won't get any deduction, if you have your passport.  The number is meant to be posted out to you later (tho I never got mine when I cashed ,<thin>)


ok thant u buddy i hope i need one when im out there lol


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: SuuPRlim on July 20, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
struggling to think of anything the real world does that is more tilting than forms.

God they are tilting, and so wasteful.


Title: Re: Claiming Back US Tax from Poker in Vegas
Post by: Woodsey on July 20, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
struggling to think of anything the real world does that is more tilting than forms.

God they are tilting, and so wasteful.

Girls making you pander to them hard for a root?  ;whistle;