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I just read a book which discussed a tournament where the rule was:

Pot Limit preflop & No Limit post flop.

Is this a good idea?

Is Pot Limit a more accurate test of skill?

No, Limit is. More decisions on Flop turn and river, more skill required.

faced with pot limit and no limit as options, I agree that PL requires finesse and skill down the streets. NL requires aggression and muscle.

All of my major results, all 3 of them ( rotflmfao) are in PL

different games requiring different methods of play. I prefer pot limit in low stake buy in games and No limit in high stake freeze out games.
I do think you need bigger balls for No Limit (and probably a better game because of it)

i agree with the first part, but don't think the second follows. You need more MOVES in NL but a greater ability to TRAP and a greater emphasis on bet size in PL.

It is therefore at least worth suggesting that PL is more skilful but clearly a more passive game

 :hello:

The last thing you want is more of me in NL  :D

I do agree Tighty especially when the antes are higher and you are down to the last 10 or so, a much more measured ,disciplined and cagey game is required.

There is a major event on tele thats pot limit pre flop, nl post flop.  I can't remember which it is though - it could be the speed poker.

I have always felt that in PL it is too easy for people to say "I bet the pot",
and thus this becomes automatic, with dealers assuming that the next bet, or especially raise is"the pot" (which pisses me off no end)

Whereas in NL one has to create an amount to bet each time.

I agree, in PL the bets are BIGGER because people always bet the pot.

I agree they do, but a good PL player should be about trapping and value betting, therefore bet sizes are more important than just automatically betting the pot

Yep, that is the speed poker. seem to remember that it's also played as a 6 handed shootout

as the pot limit world champion I must say that I think pot limit is a very skillfull game 8)

Seriously, a few players like Lederer and Chan have said that the main event should be pot limit because it is " the most technical holdem event"

WHAT DO YOU  THINK????????????????????? ;goodvevil;

Negreanu said the same. Most technical holdem event and offering better advantages to the pros who can get reads on players.

I agree with Tighty here, you have to play the streets better and usually against more opponants in PL than NL.
Though as the blinds get higher it pretty much becomes no limit.

I think pl is the game with more skill. As we have been against the guy who pushes it allin with KQs under the gun. Thinking it is a big hand. Forcing yourself to fold AQ. Where nl you can call and not worry about ending your tournie.

I know a guy at my local casino he has never won a pl tournie. But has won quiet a few nl. reason being he will push it allin with crap, he has no fear about risking it all with pocket 2s. but in pl he cant use that power of pushing it allin and pushing better hands out of the pot.

So i think nl can give a weak player the advantage of not playing flops, And lets face it a better player wants to play flops and the streets against a poor player. Would youu want to risk your tournie on AK to an allin bet before you. I think not as its only ace high after all.


4dam

Mike Matasow wouldn't fair as well in pot-limit.

His game seems to be about using chips to his advantage, making big moves when he sense weakness.

I consider him to be a very skillfull player.

Using sheer aggression to your advantage is certainly a skill. But not the only skill. Certainly pot limit weights in favour of the finer poker skills, at least earlier on when blinds are low

I just think that being about to find weakness in people is a big skill in poker. Pot-limit can sometimes make it hard to push people off hands.

I'm still undecided though. Mainly because my big wins have been in no limit.  :D

next time you are at your casino look at the final tables of trhe nolimit and pot limit games you will notice there always seems to be a few more weaker players on the nl then there is on the pl final table.

Hey, I'm always on the no limit final table and never on the pot limit one.  ;yellowcard;

I'm in the PL is more skillful camp.
2 reason really.

1. Its harder to bully in the first few levels i.e pot size to chip stack ratio.

2.in NL its easier for bad players to loose chips to bad players i.e all in preflop with AK with blinds at 25/50.

Plus you do seem to get the same faces at the PL(live) final tables(never mine  ;reallyamsorry;), i get ouyplayed alot in PL but not as much in NL i usually know where i am.

WSOP PL Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i'll never win it  >:(.

BA

Hmmm....

I think at the highest levels there isn't much to choose between them.

Someone like Lindgren who playsall the streets and has little fear (and a huge bankroll) is amazing to watch at NL. At this extremely high level of poker the "all-in merchants" struggle to get paid off.

Here is where I think it's splitting hairs.

I can play both pot limit and no limit well, ( i await mikkyT's remarks ) However In th elowere levels of pot limit, people just want to go all in anyways. Also monster preflop hand lose some of their value. which in turn helps when up against a mug that cant realise he's beat although he has aces. Each of the games have their own unique traits that call on different skills and skill sets, Pot limit means to loosen up a little and ease up on the aggression. No limit Call everone fish and act like the school bully, even if you have the short stack.

I like both games however my preference is No limit, Its easier to bluff ( when you need to ), You can trap the "all in merchants easier " and the dynamic changes constantly on No limit, I believe for these reasons NLH requires more of your skills at the poker table.

To be honest though its all about personal opinion and preference.

 :)

I can not explain it but I have played 3 pot limit events in my life and:

1) 1st wsop
2) 3rd in Paris during WPT
3) 5th at Ballys Las Vegas wsop circuit event

does pot limit hold me back because I usually play to aggresive??????   do I slow down my thinking????? I dont know but results are results 8)

I agree that P/L requires more skill.

You'll see much more dead money at N/L final tables than you will at P/L ones.

 I personally like your style for pot limit its like my own, Bust the Rocks with less than premium hands and get in cheap, all that stuff, I even introduce it to a tight No limit table, however in no limit the most important aspect is changing gear (IMO) as the dynamic changes so frequently.

Your style is probably best suited to pot limit, I say that cos I dont want you near my no limit table  8) 8)

Like I said its all about preference.

If you keep that up, I'll be the one getting the talcum oot.

 ;goodvevil;

It has been said that you get a guy in from the street, put him in a pot limit comp and he's dead money. Put him in a no limit comp and he's dangerous.

Can't remember who said that, but I tend to agree.


Don't get me wrong, to play N/L still requires a great deal of skill, but the clueless moos still stand a chance. Probably because there are more desicions on more streets in P/L dumming down the luck factor.

I prefer pot limit to no limit.  Definate more skill needed, and more trapping with big hands

OK last chance, you say that again and I will report you to a mod!!!!


Just kidding mate, I am only voicing my opinion, I do respect yours and everyone elses, I just happen to think that in No limit the dead money is easier to pick off if you play it well enough.

Case in point, I will refer you to the cash game we played at cincins way before christmas, Old robert was dealing and 3 or 4 blokes came in off the street  sat dow with us all at the table, I was up about £500 by the end of the night and these guys done their money not because they were unlucky but they were out matched.

The table had you , MikkyT , Nick ( ginger haird dealer ), Andrew and me on a table.  WHat bloody chance did they have. None thats what chance only because with enough skill you can reduce the luck factor in NLH.

I also remember what made it easier was these guys only had one gear, The phrase fish in a barrel comes to mind.

That was a great night :D

I still think i'd be able to clean out a newbie a greater % of the time playing P/L than N/L though. When the cards run right, I'm not denying that it's a lot quicker at N/L though.

I'm not a big N/L or P/L cash game player so have no extensive records. I'd be keen if someone on here who does could share with us their N/L cash variance vs their P/L cash variance. I'll wager that the latter will be lower.

It was  great night.  good times ( sigh)


However you have me at you mercy with math once again, The Variance will be lower with pot limit, that much is true, however parting a fool with his money is so much quicker in No limit.

Let's stick to N/L then, win the dosh in time to have a spot of lunch.

see how easy that was to believe me, Now in th enext poker game I will always have  Aspades Ahrt