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Title: i was told Post by: pleno1 on July 22, 2012, 12:13:52 AM river raises were always the nuts, but its v hard to have the nuts here :/
he seems like a good reg, whats his river value range? Seat 1: iLandkos (113318 in chips) Seat 2: Zimmy86 (95597 in chips) Seat 4: Tarobeagle (17621 in chips) Seat 5: pads1161 (60820 in chips) Seat 6: Dennis2410 (17245 in chips) iLandkos: posts the ante 125 Zimmy86: posts the ante 125 Tarobeagle: posts the ante 125 pads1161: posts the ante 125 Dennis2410: posts the ante 125 Tarobeagle: posts small blind 500 pads1161: posts big blind 1000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Js Ks] Dennis2410: folds iLandkos: folds Zimmy86: raises 1000 to 2000 Tarobeagle: folds pads1161: calls 1000 *** FLOP *** [5s 2h 3s] pads1161: checks Zimmy86: bets 2000 pads1161: calls 2000 *** TURN *** [5s 2h 3s] [2c] pads1161: checks Zimmy86: checks *** RIVER *** [5s 2h 3s 2c] [Jc] pads1161: bets 6000 Zimmy86: raises 10000 to 16000 pads1161: Title: Re: i was told Post by: The Camel on July 22, 2012, 12:18:56 AM That statement comes from about 1998.
For about 10 years I made my living making river bluff raises and never getting called! Tough spot here, think I'm folding. Title: Re: i was told Post by: titaniumbean on July 22, 2012, 12:24:53 AM Even if he has all Jx it's still a really thin range, which you'd expect much of his value range to bet twice 60bb deep, though ofc with a fh etc there should be some % chance that he checks back. The better he is the more likely to actually have a hand here rather than a rando bluff.
Sure am folding. Title: Re: i was told Post by: rfgqqabc on July 22, 2012, 09:31:47 AM First thought is he's got showdown on the turn but appears more likely he has a boat now, kinda sweet line if he has a bluff!.
Title: Re: i was told Post by: prettygreen on July 22, 2012, 01:27:27 PM defo snapping here. Pretty sure his range is ATC.
What can u have realistically? busted straight draw, busted float? Title: Re: i was told Post by: rfgqqabc on July 22, 2012, 02:05:06 PM First thought is he's got showdown on the turn but appears more likely he has a boat now, kinda sweet line if he has a bluff!. But generally i call if people only rep boats. Title: Re: i was told Post by: SuuPRlim on July 22, 2012, 06:50:18 PM That statement comes from about 1998. For about 10 years I made my living making river bluff raises and never getting called! Tough spot here, think I'm folding. you must be one of the few, for the last 4 years I've been playing the % of river raises that are bluffs is something in the 1-2% region. Btw his range isn't any two cards here, he has 22 or 55 mostly, but I feel also like he could raise Aspades Jx (not a spade) for value here some %. But mostly you'll just get shown a boat, I'm sure some savvy regs have started bluffing here because it's a spot where they know that you know they are repping joke thin so likely to get credit for them not bluffing you in that spot. Problem is though people AREN'T starting to bluff here for these reasons... But generally i call if people only rep boats. defo snapping here. Pretty sure his range is ATC. What can u have realistically? busted straight draw, busted float? you can't trust anyone - speshly online MTT players (who never fold generally) to fold in these spots, so hence no1 ever really bluffs. as soon as people start folding here you can start bluffing, but they just don't. Title: Re: i was told Post by: SuuPRlim on July 22, 2012, 06:51:29 PM assuming ofc we're dealing with a good experienced thinking player
Title: Re: i was told Post by: Rupert on July 23, 2012, 08:17:08 AM I would expect Zimmy to have AJ+ here a ton
Title: Re: i was told Post by: Nit Tendencies on July 23, 2012, 11:46:28 AM Hes going to bet all of his overpairs/sets on the turn since he won't expect you to fold any of your flop calling range on this turn. But I can't really see how he's bluffing ere since he reps nothing and he's probably got half a brain. Pretty sure he has AJ/KJ 95% of the time.
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