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Title: LAPT Colombia Auction CANCELLED SEE NEW THREAD
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 09:51:35 AM
Hi, my name is Alex Goulder and I recently won a seat to LAPT Colombia which is on the 8th August and a 4.2million buyin event....

(http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/cambridgealex/turningbackdoorouts.gif)

4,200,000.00 COP   =   1,505.301 GBP
Colombian Peso   ↔   British Pound

I'm auctioning off 10%, or 20% if reserve price is met. edit: reserve price pmed to Tight End.

I honestly think this will be one of softest tournaments I'm ever likely to play. From watching the players in the satellites (mainly compromised of players from South America) and from my experience of playing online with Brazilians, Venezuelans etc, I think I'm very well placed to make a deep run. I find that events such as these suit my style more than any others, as they are all about value betting well, making disciplined folds and picking off bluffs, rather than complex plays, high variance lines and balancing ranges. Being a predominately live player, I'm very accustomed to this style and once I get a stack and get deep into an event, I usually go really deep because I know how to play vs these player types very well and value my tournament life in a soft field very highly. Although obviously a very small sample size, I think my hendon mob results of 1st, 1st, 4th, 6th out of the 9 events they've recorded there show this to some extent. I want to sell myself, but I don't want to overdo it, so I'll leave it at that.

There was 685 runners for this event last year, so the prizepool will be very juicy, at a very rough guess first prize between £200k and £300k

http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/20alex430?filter=
http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/*/players/Sr%20Croissant
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=186500

I think this'll be a really fun sweat and it'd be good to get lots of blondes on board having a little slice.

The auction will end at midnight this Sunday 29th July.

Edit: I'll only be accepting bids on this thread OR on my diary thread. That way people with less than 300 posts can still bid, but all bids are transparent and in public.


1% starts at £15.05
10% £150.50

Good luck.

Bids
RedSimon 2% @ 1.59
rfgqqabc 2.5% 1.52
TL900 2.5% @ 1.42
MC 10% @ 1.4
Millidonk 2.5% @1.15
JJandellis 3% @ 1.17


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: millidonk on July 25, 2012, 09:58:24 AM
For transparency has the reserve price been pre-disclosed with anyone? 

2.5% @1.15


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Note: The exchange rates are pretty volatile so I'll lock in the exchange as above for the buying. If we cash, I don't know how I'll receive the money, it might be in USD, it might be in pesos or bank transfer. Either way, I'll consult blondes or someone well-placed to make the best judgement at the time. I'm travelling around Colombia after the event so will be in no rush to leave, I'll make sure that however we get the money will be the best way and no-one will lose out more than necessary on the exchange rate. Loses will be shared equally amongst investors and myself.

For example: It turns out that the most +EV way of getting the money is to get it in USD cash, then investors can receive their share in USD cash or they can receive their share in £ at the rate at which I manage to convert it.

Very open to advice on this policy of course, feel free to comment even if not interested in the thread.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:00:31 AM
Auctions rules as standard:

Everyone who is interested in buying a piece should make a bid for a certain percentage with the maximum price they would be prepared to pay for that piece. e.g. pleno 5% @ 1.8
All the bids are arranged in descending order by price* and the top 10 percentiles** at 00:00 on Monday 30th July win the auction.
Every winner pays the price of the lowest winning bid.

*In the event of a tie, the bid made first chronologically will take precedence
**This may involve one person receiving only part of the percentage that they bid for.

You can make as many bids as you like, e.g. if you would buy 10% at 1.1 but only 5% at 1.2, you can make 2 bids, 5@1.1 and 5@1.2, if the strike price finishes 1.1 or below you will have 10%, between 1.1 and 1.2 you will get 5% and over 1.2 you won't buy any.
Bids will be rounded to 2 decimal places, i.e. 1.333 will be considered the same as 1.33 and ranked chronologically
Bids are binding and cannot be withdrawn, I am ending the auction in plenty of time to chase everyone up for payment before the event.
To prevent any <0.5 shenanigans, the minimum price will be 1.0
In the event of some unforeseen dispute arising the referee's* decision will be final.

*me


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
For transparency has the reserve price been pre-disclosed with anyone? 

2.5% @1.15

Good point, sending a pm to Tighty right now.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: pleno1 on July 25, 2012, 10:03:23 AM
Hi,

Is there a link to the structure?


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: millidonk on July 25, 2012, 10:03:46 AM
For transparency has the reserve price been pre-disclosed with anyone? 

2.5% @1.15

Good point, sending a pm to Tighty right now.

Yea defo the best bet, otherwise we might end up with a thread entitled 'Cambridge Alex aka Alex Goulder still scamming July 2012'



Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
Hi,

Is there a link to the structure?

http://www.lapt.com/tournaments/colombia/

20k stack, 60 minute clock. The antes are larger than usual in some levels (eg 200/400/75), which I really like, rewards the more aggressive players for blind stealing etc.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: MC on July 25, 2012, 10:06:34 AM
10% @ 1.4


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: millidonk on July 25, 2012, 10:09:07 AM

I think this'll be a really fun sweat and it'd be good to get lots of blondes on board having a little slice.

1% starts at £15.05
10% £150.50

Good luck.

Max 2% per person for super forum sweats??


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction - 1% = £15.05 so far
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:10:55 AM

I think this'll be a really fun sweat and it'd be good to get lots of blondes on board having a little slice.

1% starts at £15.05
10% £150.50

Good luck.

Max 2% per person for super forum sweats??

Nice idea, but no :)


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: TightEnd on July 25, 2012, 10:14:34 AM
Confirm have received reserve price. Won't disclose to anyone, obviously


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Junior Senior on July 25, 2012, 10:23:03 AM
3% at 1.22 please Goulden Boy


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
3% at 1.22 please Goulden Boy

MC took 10% at 1.4 so 1.41 is the minimum price now


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Woodsey on July 25, 2012, 10:27:21 AM
3% at 1.22 please Goulden Boy

MC took 10% at 1.4 so 1.41 is the minimum price now

So I assume that means the reserve is above 1.41?  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:30:40 AM
3% at 1.22 please Goulden Boy

MC took 10% at 1.4 so 1.41 is the minimum price now

So I assume that means the reserve is above 1.41?  ;carlocitrone;
Yes


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
2.5% @ 1.42 in your auction please sir.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: redsimon on July 25, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
2% @ 1.59 please


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: rfgqqabc on July 25, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
2.5% 1.52


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Rupert on July 25, 2012, 11:04:18 AM
Probably worth mentioning that

Quote
TAX INFORMATION

According to prevailing Colombian taxation policy, all tournament winnings are subject to a percentage tax withholding. That withholding is 20% for winnings over COP 1.250.000 (approximately). Official receipts will be issued.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: smashedagain on July 25, 2012, 11:06:15 AM
Amy new dates on business launch?


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
Probably worth mentioning that

Quote
TAX INFORMATION

According to prevailing Colombian taxation policy, all tournament winnings are subject to a percentage tax withholding. That withholding is 20% for winnings over COP 1.250.000 (approximately). Official receipts will be issued.

Did not see that. Yikes that's a lot :( Not sure how to proceed...


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
I assume you can get that back?


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Rupert on July 25, 2012, 11:13:58 AM
I assume you can get that back?

Don't think UK has any tax treaties with Columbia


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: pleno1 on July 25, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
20% wtf cant be right?

pretty sick, did it tell you when you regged for the comp initially?

Still +ev to play ldo.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
I have to go out for the day now and won't be able to get online. Didn't know about this beforehand of course, and although no they didn't say when you regged, I'm sure it's in there somewhere - I didn't think to look :(


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Rupert on July 25, 2012, 11:26:50 AM
Yeah LAPTs notorious for joke taxes :(


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: smashedagain on July 25, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
Try winning the wsop and living in Denmark. Thats a joke


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: redsimon on July 25, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
I assume you can get that back?

Don't think UK has any tax treaties with Columbia

Just checked with HMRC. No tax Treaty between UK and Columbia :(


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 05:15:28 PM
OK, I've thought of two ways of proceeding. Perhaps current bidders / anyone with a strong opinion either way could comment and I'll decide what to do tonight.

1) Cancel the auction and restart it tomorrow with everybody aware about the 20% tax

2) Continue the auction with the bids as they are and deduct 20% of the markup at the end. I don't know whether than means that 1.8 actually = 1.44 or 1.64, haven't got my head round that part yet, but in essence, you'll get a fair rate to reflect the tax.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Dubai on July 25, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
2 would be 1.44

1>2 tho for sure

ps- will reply to ur pm at some point


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: George2Loose on July 25, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
Deffo option 1


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: DMorgan on July 25, 2012, 06:11:38 PM
Not 100% but on the other stars tours you can be paid out into your stars account. Probably best to email them for clarification but if that is possible then it'll certainly be the most hassle-free route. Their in-client currency exchange rate is very close to spot so I doubt that they'd try and screw you on a rate from Pesos cash to Stars $



Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: jgcblack on July 25, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
Want to make some kind of comment about knowing about the tax before your post as a childish retort to your well put and well meant constructive criticism on my staking thread.

But I'm growing up so I'll just say...

wow 20% that sucks!

:)

gl with the auction/ reauction mate.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: Simon Galloway on July 25, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Given you are choosing to stay on in Columbia, a rucksack full of cash is probably not the best way to go.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: flushthemout on July 25, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
2% Alex please


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: flushthemout on July 25, 2012, 07:05:21 PM
@1.51


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: MC on July 25, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
Deffo option 1


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction. CANCELLED SEE NEW THREAD
Post by: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:07:33 PM
OK auction is cancelled. New thread up in a few moments.


Title: Re: LAPT Colombia Auction
Post by: smashedagain on July 26, 2012, 09:05:29 AM
Try winning the wsop and living in Denmark. Thats a joke

So you're really Peter Eastgate and not some chubby bloke from Lincoln???? ;-)
Scunthorpe....Lincoln is a small village on the outskirts of Scunthorpe. but confirmed chubby if i lose a little weight