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Title: Wtfffffff Post by: MC on July 26, 2012, 12:35:10 PM $33 Reg Speed Final Table (142 runners)
Both villains are fish. The bb villain has been seen to open jam 40bbs pre on the FT bubble, and he click-raise 4b me a couple of hands previously from MP to which I folded. Thoughts on whole hand (except pre obv) PokerStars Hand #83865009886: Tournament #591010164, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2012/07/26 12:06:48 WET [2012/07/26 7:06:48 ET] Table '591010164 6' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: Duder83 (37242 in chips) Seat 2: RONALDO10610 (55810 in chips) Seat 3: MacintoshFan (20371 in chips) Seat 4: epitomised (56323 in chips) Seat 5: rnoord (29690 in chips) Seat 6: AsjBaaaf (92397 in chips) Seat 7: vanner1988 (50164 in chips) Seat 8: gruzovik666 (18037 in chips) Seat 9: wizko (65966 in chips) Duder83: posts the ante 125 RONALDO10610: posts the ante 125 MacintoshFan: posts the ante 125 epitomised: posts the ante 125 rnoord: posts the ante 125 AsjBaaaf: posts the ante 125 vanner1988: posts the ante 125 gruzovik666: posts the ante 125 wizko: posts the ante 125 Duder83: posts small blind 600 RONALDO10610: posts big blind 1200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to epitomised [Qd As] MacintoshFan: folds epitomised: raises 1260 to 2460 rnoord: folds AsjBaaaf: folds vanner1988: folds gruzovik666: folds wizko: calls 2460 Duder83: folds RONALDO10610: calls 1260 *** FLOP *** [5d Ad 9d] RONALDO10610: checks epitomised: checks wizko: bets 7200 RONALDO10610: calls 7200 epitomised: calls 7200 *** TURN *** [5d Ad 9d] [4h] RONALDO10610: bets 1200 epitomised: raises 12000 to 13200 wizko: folds RONALDO10610: raises 12000 to 25200 epitomised: Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: hatthehole on July 26, 2012, 12:49:11 PM id probs just bet the flop and go from there. I feel like theres plenty of hands that fish will call you with that are worse. I have no idea why you would raise the turn after check/overcalling the flop, seems like a call to me. you have to fold now i think.
Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: MC on July 26, 2012, 02:24:15 PM id probs just bet the flop and go from there. I feel like theres plenty of hands that fish will call you with that are worse. I have no idea why you would raise the turn after check/overcalling the flop, seems like a call to me. you have to fold now i think. It felt like calling a min-bet on the turn was super weak, and could put me in tough spots when wizko raises. I guess I was doing it so I could comfortably fold to any further aggressive action. Admittedly I may well have botched this hand. Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: AlexMartin on July 26, 2012, 03:31:19 PM why raise turn?
Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: MC on July 26, 2012, 03:40:41 PM It felt like calling a min-bet on the turn was super weak, and could put me in tough spots when wizko raises. I guess I was doing it so I could comfortably fold to any further aggressive action. Admittedly I may well have botched this hand. Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: LonOhRay on July 26, 2012, 05:10:18 PM 100% bet flop, get called by all other Ax Kd pairs with diamonds etc
Call turn as played, now follow your guess and comfortably fold to further aggressive action. Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: TL900 on July 26, 2012, 05:47:25 PM 100% bet flop, get called by all other Ax Kd pairs with diamonds etc Call turn as played, now follow your guess and comfortably fold to further aggressive action. ye +1 on this for me Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: pleno1 on July 26, 2012, 06:29:46 PM 4799/s ap otf
Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: PizzicatoXev on July 28, 2012, 05:52:56 AM 100% bet flop, get called by all other Ax Kd pairs with diamonds etc Call turn as played, now follow your guess and comfortably fold to further aggressive action. ye +1 on this for me Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: DMorgan on July 30, 2012, 03:18:53 AM +1 to bet flop. Let them smash it in with the naked Kd
I think we have to consider jamming the flop. Looks like a bit of an overbet but its <pot and its hard to imagine described villains folding the Kd, they can decide you have the Kd and call it off with worse Ax no diamond hands and you have equity against everything but the flopped nuts. As played I think turn is a fold. He isn't bluffing, I'd imagine villain has a flush always. Title: Re: Wtfffffff Post by: LFmagic on August 03, 2012, 10:54:39 AM I quite like checking the flop too, I think I'd check the flop more often than cbet because of stack sizes tbh. The way the hand is played out the turn is a clear fold, I very likely flat the turn min then try and get value on a large majority of rivers (by betting to a check or making a large raise on another min/small lead). I don't think we can feasibly check flop then bet so big on the turn as we look so strong and lose action from the majority of hands we beat I feel. That being said, if I do cbet the flop I will most likely be looking for 3 streets on the majority of boards, I think our flop action is crucial to what we rep, what we do on the turn/river and the range of hands we can get villain(s) to continue with. Good post, these spots can be really tough on soft finals
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