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9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: travisohc (11910 in chips)
Seat 2: LanexPro (17521 in chips)
Seat 3: Mt.Spewmore (14076 in chips)
Seat 5: Folkavo (27605 in chips)
Seat 6: aJarov (22609 in chips)
Seat 7: lowkeynz (27162 in chips)
Seat 8: swanseaj (6301 in chips)
Seat 9: ohulahan1 (16616 in chips)
travisohc: posts the ante 100
LanexPro: posts the ante 100
Mt.Spewmore: posts the ante 100
Folkavo: posts the ante 100
aJarov: posts the ante 100
lowkeynz: posts the ante 100
swanseaj: posts the ante 100
ohulahan1: posts the ante 100
Folkavo: posts small blind 250
aJarov: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [Th Tc]
lowkeynz: raises 500 to 1000
swanseaj: folds
ohulahan1: folds
travisohc: folds
LanexPro: folds

OR's first hand at the table no reads.   Fold, Call, 3bet/Call, 3bet/Fold, which is optimal and why?

What tournament?

I raise to my year of birth, if his 4 bet includes the month (10) or the day in it I timebank Jam, if not fold.


See three, let blinds come along and flop a set is optimal

Comp is important. Probably jus 3/call vs most although do think it's close.

11 cubed i believe

bump

I agree, everything sucks lol

my initial reaction was to 3bet call, but we are surely going to be crushed against his 4b jam range from UTG? Really dont want to 3bet/fold TT. I think I'd flat here, is that bad?... either that or "accidentally" hit the reset button on my PC

meh i bet we would be flipping vs a realistic range, i.e 88+ aq+ and a few combos of spaz. like 6 combos of hands he jams that aren't premiums.

Dunno how much we can expect OR to spaz here? Our 3bet would look pretty strong.

its 2012 tho, everybody is 3betting vs utg right?

I probably 3b/call...

While we are not exactly in love with the situation, we flip vs many peoples getting it in range here. He also has a large enough stack that if he is a more aggressive player he can be raising all sorts of hands (ie suited connectors etc) which he will fold a good chunk of the time which is fine, and occasionally spaz with which is even more fine...

If a decent portion of his range is suited connectors surely calling is better. Really can't see anyone spazzing out to our stack. I would peel pre

I would CALL pre.
I think the fact that we have no info on villian makes it more of a flat. ie-If he's raising a very narrow range from UTG we will be better off playing the flop in position without inflating the pot.

I agree with this. I think pocket tens is not good enough to 3 bet call with as most of the time we are in pretty bad shape against an UTG 4 bet range. whereas if we do hit another ten, most likely in a multi way pot, we could get the lot.

5th best hand in Hold em yo

I see what you are saying Pleno. I actually think that this is a really interesting hand for people to look at. Certainly for less experienced players such as myself.
On one hand, 3 bet folding looks, on the face of it, pretty bad to me, as we go down from a stack with plenty of options to one where our options become somewhat reduced.
However, by 3 bet calling, we dispense with the advantage of position that we have. We then have to rely on villian 4 betting with a range of hands that TT is in good shape against to make it profitable. Of course, there is still a chance that one of the blinds wakes up with a hand that they want to play.
 If we flat call, we play the hand in position, for a 2bb cost, with lots of good options, with the benefit of seeing the fop.
 If we 3 bet and villian folds, we haven't actually won a massive amount, altho any extra chips are no bad thing.
 It's still a CALL for me, but i would be really be interested to hear other peoples thought processes for this one.
Cheers for posting it TL900.

Readless I'd fold....but I'm 23 now

#dinosaurs

couple of people said this before i posted it on here. I still have no idea what is optimal tbh. The title is right, just everything sucks.

My thoughts,

My default used to be 3b/call in this spot in game, but I've adjusted it now as people just aren't 4bet shoving wide enough to make that profitable imo. I flatted in this instance now and decided to play a pot with guaranteed position (vs a wider range that he wont 4bet jam on us), I think if we are MP or earlier this becomes a definite fold? The fact that we have the button just sways me to flatting.

I assume by the replies everyone is folding 99? What about JJ?

I'm flatting TT, still flatting JJ, probably 3b/sigh/call QQ and 3b/5b/fist-pump/all-in KK  3b/5b/fist-pump/do a dance/wiggle my hips/shoving AA.


Would villain be raising with <TT, 99, 88. Are we ever going into this hand as a big favourite? Or are we mostly flipping but often crushed by >JJ ??

I like the flat, 3 bet folding is aweful imo..

Calling 7% of your stack pre is ok i guess, if a little close to no being ok