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Blinds 100/200

I'm UTG+1 and FC with  3d 3h, there's one other caller then BB makes it 600 which I and the other player call. Flop  3c 9c 8h BB bets 1200.  What would you do? xx

Need to know everyone's stack sizes mate.

BB is ony c-betting.

I would make it 2600, hopefully keeping customer in pot, not a bad board really. xxx

raise pre.

Raise pre. Or fold, don't limp.

As played, I'm making it 3500 and basically just trying to pile as much money on as possible.

limping has to be better than folding right?

Make it 3800. Hope he 4 bets with his KK and then jam it in his eye and hope for a call.

It's not really my style but open-limping sometimes is fine on a loose soft table in the early levels of a tournament. On a weak-tight table raising is usually going to be better. And on a tough table folding is probably the preferred choice from early position.

everyone is over 150bigs deep. Its just a raise pre simply. Now im gona make it pretty big because its live poker and I dont want people to fold TT and I wana get all the money in. 4k looks good

you don't want to open limp into pots tho because it caps your range.

Raise it up then you can represent ace-high boards etc

Also small pairs are decent hands to peel vs 3bets because they are often going to have a very strong range 3betting at 100/200 no ante so if you flop a 3 you could win a big pot. Along with when you open raise and get flatted in 4 spots. The pot is alot bigger so when we flop a set we are generally going to win a mich bigger pot than if we had just limped as when people put more than a limp into a pot they find it harder to let go of marginal hands

 7c is literally the worst card in the deck and i would be checking back this turn and re-evaluating river and hoping to boat up :)

Assuming you are on a soft table with some bad players on it, there is not a huge amount of need to concern yourself with capping your preflop range. Whilst sometimes a good player on the table might try to take advantage of this, the ability to usually see a flop cheaply vs opponents who play badly more than makes up for this. You should be more concerned with making money vs the large amount of bad players at your table than protecting yourself against the one or two good players. Obviously limping would be bad on a tough table, or if we are pretty sure a good player will screw with us. And in this case we should usually fold rather than raise considering we are in EP.

Btw, I'm not saying raising is bad at all. I'm just saying that limping is fine if that's your style. It all depends on your table. Saying stuff like "never open limp" is dogmatic, non-thinking thinking.

This is all a very good argument for open-raising. But it doesn't negate the fact that limping can be fine too. I don't often play a limping game personally, but some very good players do limp a little in the early levels and it works well for them.

A while back Phil Ivey won the WSOP 10k PLO. He destroyed the final table, and he did so by using a strategy of limping pretty much every single hand. Now fair enough, this was PLO. Plus poker has moved on a little since then. But the point is still valid; don't be constrained by general principles and a cookie cutter approach.

I'd be more inclined to limp in LP than EP.

It's not part of my game however.

It's funny, I am more than happy to overlimp vs bad players but I still raise to increase the pot size in position!

I'm still betting this turn. But pretty small. He's raised out of the bb so he's not got that many flushes in his range, certainly no straights. So we're concerned about AKcc, AQcc AJcc mostly, perhaps KQcc. So thats 4 hands. We don't want to lose value from overpairs with clubs in or overpairs without clubs in that he can't let go of, so checking is a mistake imo.

Bet small, it'll be obvious if he has a flush, so you can fold if he raises too big, or call if he gives you implied odds to river a boat.

Got to promote the limping early!


Go as big as possible 4.2k looks good, check back 7c turn

yeah agree with this. sorry didn't realise he'd raised from bb

edit : saying that, im not sure how many people are just gona flat overpairs to a raise on this flop, especially live.

I think In the long run this hand in this position is going to loose more than it will win so the cheaper I can play it the better you think? They checked after the turn and looked really uncomfortable so I went with my read and bet 6k thinking it wouldn't be  the price to call if they have a high club. After a while they called and  Td  came on the river, they checked again and with that board I really didn't want to bet again. They turned over   6c 6d  and I felt like reaching across the table and poking them in the eyeball. Looking back I think I should have bet 5 or 6k after the flop. I'd lost over 30% of my stack in the early doors  xx

a/s/l? xx

I agree that limping isn't bad at all and in this specific type of tournament where you'll likely go 4 or 5 way to the flop regardless preserving those chips is always a decent line, speshly when C-bets are way less likely to get through as well.

However I think a good base strategy for most spots is to always try and take a more aggressive option if you can as it makes you harder to play against - this obv isn't true of every situation but a good default to have.

I actually like limping over raising in this spot specifically thinking about it. Also good to try keep your image fairly passive in this section of these comps so when ante's kick in you can ramp up the aggro and get a bit more respect. (that's specific to this type of comp ofc)