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Nobody is bigger than the team, suck it up pussy...........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19229566

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19232767

even better

eng to win next test match?? or is it a sure fail?

Lots of egos about

KP, obviously but Flower too

No one comes out of it with any credit

Wouldn't be too pleased to have paid £100+ for Lords to see Bairstow not KP

Put him in his place. Seems to be the case that he did send the texts to the SA players slagging off his own teammates.

Effectively a one game suspension and he'll be back for the next one. Sends a message.

KP has never been a team player on the pitch - how many hundreds have been under 120 cos he's got slap-happy? How many Geoff Boycott rants?!

He is, however, one of our great batsmen.  And that of course can't be ignored.

the texts only become public knowledge if the SAfricans let them become public knowledge? and its in their interests to see disharmony and no KP....

Not excusing KP for breaking dressing room omerta, but the ECB have been played like a fiddle too

In addition the SA manager says "they were not derogatory", KP dropped for " not denying derogatory texts"

What a mess

I think one of the most refreshing aspects of the Olympics is how ego free 99% of the competitors/winners are.

Then I open this thread and read about this tosser.

Eff off back to South Africa please.

Ooohhhh. We like omerta.

How on earth do you know all these lovely words, Rich? Awesome stuff.

If Pietersen was truly innocent regarding the texts, he could easily prove so, the fact he hasn't says it all.

You can't blame the South Africans for playing a clever game with this knowledge. I am sure Strauss (and others) were made full aware when they were in the middle in the last test of the texts.

You can't speak highly enough of the attitudes of the Olympic competitors. Switched over to check the score in the charity shield today, saw a group of players surrounding the ref shouting their mouths off. Just thought "wankers" and turned it st8 back to the olympics.

England ultimately lose. Love KP and his ego

Straussey did an interview on the radio before and he didn't sound impressed at all. KP must have really pissed off some of his team mates/management. Anyone know what he actually did other than these texts? Or what the texts actually said?

Judging by this on cricinfo, England are determined to deal with this away from the public eye.

Kevin Pietersen has apologised to the ECB over the derogatory text messages that he sent about members of the England dressing room to South Africa players in a last-ditch attempt to gain forgiveness and be selected for World Twenty20 in Sri Lanka.
 
Pietersen and his representatives were waiting on Tuesday evening for the ECB to respond to his gesture with Saturday's deadline for naming England's World Twenty20 party looming ever closer.
 
The apology presumably constituted an admission of guilt and as such leaves him at risk of a heavy fine, a suspension or both. If England's managing director, Hugh Morris, continues to pursue a hard line it could automatically rule him out of a tournament in which he desperately wants to take part.
 
The ECB would make no official comment on Tuesday night, perhaps recognising that leaks in the past have been unhelpful in the reconciliation process.
followed by

Kevin Pietersen's chances of being reconciled to the England set-up and winning a place in their World Twenty20 squad appear to have receded after the ECB and Andrew Strauss confirmed that further discussions between the parties were needed, despite Pietersen's apology for sending "provocative" texts.
 
Strauss, England's captain and the subject of the allegedly derogatory texts sent by Pietersen to members of the South Africa squad, said "underlying issues on trust and respect" had to be addressed but that this was unlikely to take place until after the third Test against South Africa, for which Pietersen has been dropped. The deadline for England to submit their World T20 squad is Saturday, the third day of the Test, suggesting that Pietersen will not be recalled, as he desires.
 
After the ECB confirmed the receipt of Pietersen's apology, Strauss said that there were "broader issues" to be dealt with. He called the selectors' decision to leave Pietersen out "brave and very correct", saying that the batsman's presence at Lord's would have been "untenable".
 
"The truth is a lot has happened over the last seven days," Strauss said. "The England team has been in the news for the wrong reasons. We all want to move forward but there are some underlying issues on trust and respect that don't get dealt with over night and it's going to take quite a long time to overcome those. My personal view is that they should get dealt with in private, away from the media.
 
"It's a first step, there's a lot more to investigate with all of this. If there is a way forward, those issues regarding trust and mutual respect have to be dealt with. It's not just a one-way process but they need to be dealt with behind closed doors.
 
"It's been hanging over us since Kevin's press conference after the Headingley Test match. There was a certain amount of relief on Monday that a decision had been made and we can focus on Test. The challenge this week has been to not let it affect us on the field."
 
 

all here http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/577468.html and in a link from that story

Looking at the other players responses and interviews its clear he is not well liked. I bet he was well fuked off with the fake twitter account as it was so close to the bone.

Yeah I saw that fake twitter account was a mate of Stuart Broads. England are a better side with him playing despite everyone of his team mates thinking he is a tosser.

Completely disagree, I'm afraid. England and South Africa have been the best sides around for the last few years because of how well they have worked as a team. India have not made it to the top because of some of their players lack the desire to put a bit extra in for the team - sloppy fielding, silly run outs, stupid batting collapses. Windies are a better side on paper than in practice when the big boys are playing.

KP isn't Chris Gayle but his average v Taylor/Barstow's likely average will only be 10 runs an innings better and the team working together is worth at least that.

He is a loss in that he is a match winner but his baggage has grown too large for the side to cope with. What he does on the pitch isn't in question - bats well, fields well, turns his arm a bit - but there is no room for a KP Invitation XI at the top of the rankings.

It appears the person he has had a go at most has been Strauss. So do you think he should not go on the twenty20 then. It's a no win situation for England

Don't think he's not liked I just think he thought he was a hero sticking up for all players and most of them aren't that bothered.
Ego on both side and as we were world number 1 the coach was always going to win.
I've have him in my team.

Tikays tips have backed the S.A. win. Being patriotic I always want to see England win but people thinking that we have any chance of staying at number 1 without KP is having a laugh. Your KP's, Flintoff's, Botham's, Boycott's etc can win you matches single handedly. They just need to be managed in the right way

How do you manage someone who texts the opposition calling the coach a C&*%? Who texts the opposition bowler laughing about Strauss's technique outside the offstump? How do you manage a player who refuses to follow your own contract guidelines, you give him more time and he still cannot agree? He should piss off back to the IPL team, you know the only team who truly understands him?

Agreed its an impossible situation for them now. The only way back is if KP really has the desire to play for England above all else and eats a large portion of humble pie. Had he been better managed earlier on in his career then these situations crop up. He obviously has no respect for either coach or captain and is just starting to realise he is bigger than neither and especially that he does not come before the team. What he says when slating the coach and captain may have been fair comment but if he had been taught about respect earlier on then he would not have said them

Having said that KP is a clown and should be dropped, this England team seems to have quite a few tossers in it: Anderson, Broad and Swann are all wankers.

Perhaps England's recent success proves that wankers make good cricketers.

Keith you must have the biggest list of wankers of anyone I know  rotflmfao

You'll be finding your way onto it if you're not careful mate :)

How come? Anderson certainly had ego problems in his younger days, as has Broad and Swann, but if your list of wankers included everyone with an ego it'd be even longer than it is now.

I'm on nearly everyone else tho so why should you be any different :)

As smashedagain alluded to pretty much everyone is a wanker in The Camels world.

Except Dennis Bailey  :D

Broad is certainly a tosser. He is best mates with the KP Genius parody account guy and some simple forensics reveals he tweeted he was out with the same guy the night that account was set up.

Swann I find genuinely funny

Hallelujah!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35SXBpIyG_k

You don't miss a chance to put the boot in do you?

To be fair, that kp genius account was very funny, but even if you could describe it as "banter".  Despite the fact I found them very humourous, surely Broad should be disciplined aswell now?

Obviously I haven't seen the actual texts to South Africans, but on the scant details, it would be much harder to call them "banter".

What was KPs derogatory nickname? Sure it used to be on his wiki page but seems to have disappeared.

Agreed

Not defending KP, he's clearly not a team man.

Broad though isn't subject to the same rigour when it comes to his own conduct (as Swann wasn't when he ripped KP in his book)

FIGJAM

 :)up

If I wasn't so mild mannered I would have put the boot in far more often in all honesty! not just to you!

Think you should take internet poker forums a little less seriously.

Just because I think someone is a tosser, doesn't mean they actually are a tosser.

I am not the final judge. (I should be of course)

Bump for impending JB century.  Please don't let this be a bok

Will post here, bunch of weirdos cheering on South Africa elsewhere.

lol, hope he does it. Plenty of character shown.

:)

Bollox, I never intended for that!

His Dad must be well proud though.

Vul. Great show of character JB

:(

Great innings

Morkel was brilliant though. 14 dot balls, got him nervous, bowled him with the 15th. Ruthless

Well done JB though, real team man (unlike some....)

His Dad killed himself in 1998.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket-sporting-world-mourns-the-death-of-david-bairstow-1137312.html

Oh no, I never realised that. I knew of him well, hence my comment.

There was a programme on tv a couple of years ago about depression in sportsmen after they retire.

Compelling but very disturbing stuff.

According to Sky this morning, the texts actually included KP's advice to his South African mates about the best way to get Strauss out.

Can't see how he can ever be forgiven for that.

It would be hard ever to forgive that (if true), then it's lose lose, as the whole of the cricketing public would be deprived of watching a unique & exciting talent.

Horrible spot, & situation.

From what I understand, one text said something along the lines of "keep putting it just outside Strauss's off stump" but in a jocular "isn't he rubbish?" kind of way.

Most likely it was a light hearted comment. Just completely inappropriate. Not like this was insider info!

Drop Strauss and give KP the captaincy ???

Out first Ball for Surrey today.

.....and interupted a test match to show it!

Great ball to be fair....and same bowler who got him first ball in the 20/20 earlier this season!

Yea, and its hardly a secret that its Strauss' weakness.

Who needs KP, very entertaining from Bairstow.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/julian-knight-the-emperors-new-clothes-190812-8059955.html

Bump

In readiness for todays hastily arranged & unscheduled Press Conference, perhaps?......

I hope David Saker takes the press conference and tells everyone step by step how best to get KP out. Not just left arm spinners either.

Ofc.  Is a funny one, talk of dressing room unrest....

The Times suggests that it may be about Strauss quitting.

They added "unwittingly, Strauss has become a large part of the Pietersen story". There's a thing. 

I admire Andrew Strauss more than any other current sportsman I think.

Thoroughly thoughtful decent man, great cricketer and superb captain.

British sport will be poorer without him.

100% correct

this press conference is pathetic tbh nobody from the press has praised him at all yet to interested in kp

And a great diplomat, he has been forced to wear some very uncomfy shoes recently, but he has been very restrained & "correct", all things considered.

Despite Strauss' announcement, KP is still the story - it's a press conference, not a fan club meeting.

funny that thought it was a press conference to announce the retirement of a superb man and captain

That's what the ECB would have wanted, let's forget all the fuss  - the journalists though have a duty to ask pertinent questions, such as what the effect of a falling out with the team's most high profile player may have had on Strauss' mindset and thought processes in the lead up to his announcement.

this would be the same media who will no doubt write tommorow about how honest and honourable strauss is/was as captain?

then go on to doubt everything he said today

Surprising how good people in the betting world are informed.

I think the some/majority of the changing room have issues with KP playing nevermind captaining the side. Look at what happened last time took him all of 6 months to fall out with someone that he had to stand down.

Strauss did an excellent job as captain of the side and this seems like a good spot to retire.

Someone on Sky went through KPs autobiography detailing his account of how he fell out with various people in cricket.

It took ages to document them all! (and was always the fault of the other guy obv!)

Who has had the biggest influence on England being such a success in recent times, coach , captain or KP? All I know (which as you know ain't much) is that we were number one for tests and dropped KP and lost the spot and the same in the one day series.

Edit. I'm just really trying for a bit of balance in the thread so it's not all hate for one guy and love for another.