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Title: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on August 24, 2012, 09:03:49 AM By refusing to mount defence in doping case, Armstrong all but concedes he won his seven Tour de France titles by doping
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/aug/24/how-lance-armstrong-strongarmed-cycling?CMP=twt_fd&CMP=SOCxx2I2 A pretty sad day really. His fight against cancer was inspirational and now he has to give up his TdeF titles. Albeit he gives them up to riders who probably aren't clean themselves Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2012, 09:18:16 AM Interesting use of the present tense in the last paragraph. Given the origin of the current crop of world beaters, was it careless or deliberate?
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on August 24, 2012, 09:30:29 AM my last paragraph?
I was suggesting that Armstrong gives up his titles to people he beat, who themselves might not be clean either Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2012, 09:32:17 AM my last paragraph? I was suggesting that Armstrong gives up his titles to people he beat, who themselves might not be clean either Apologies, meant the last paragraph in the article you linked to. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TheChipPrince on August 24, 2012, 09:34:52 AM Still a remarkable man, how much £££ has he raised for cancer & the awareness it has brought to fighting it.
Hope people remember that first and foremost in years to come, sadly, they probably won't. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on August 24, 2012, 09:42:38 AM It was the whole 'cancer survivor' narrative that meant this day took far longer in coming than it should have - by essentially admitting he doped (admittedly at a time when everyone did, and everyone knew everyone else did) people will feel more betrayed, as they had an emotional involvement in him and his story that other random cyclists wouldn't have, so he had more support from people who wanted to believe that he was clean, regardless.
Interesting allegation in the article that I hadn't heard before - that he did fail tests and then people were paid off to not report them. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Sark79 on August 24, 2012, 10:12:42 AM Taken from the BBC sport site
Armstrong has disputed that USADA has the power to take away his titles. "USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges," his statement said. The cycling governing body the International Cycling Union (UCI) - which had backed Armstrong's attempt to challenge USADA's authority - has so far made no public comments on the latest developments I hope he is correct, as an Armstrong fan I would hate to see him stripped of his titles Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Skippy on August 24, 2012, 10:30:53 AM As has been said elsewhere:
a) The times Armstrong was doing up the mountains and his "Power output" was far in excess of what they were managing in this year's tour. b) Every time he won the tour, the guy who finished second has already been found out. So, he's either far and away the greatest athlete of all time, capable of superhuman performances so far in excess of his peers that no one has come close to emulating them without the use of performance enhancing drugs, or... ---- I'm of the opinion that Wiggins is the first "clean" winner of the TdF ever. Is it really cheating if everyone is doing it? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Sark79 on August 24, 2012, 10:40:44 AM I am obviously a supporter of Armstrong, lol. However I find it strange that he would give up his fight so easily. It is not in his nature to give up, so why would he do it now. He beat cancer and won 7 tours, both I would imagine are a far tougher opponent than his latest court proceedings. He has mentioned the effect the case is having on his family. Perhaps he is being truthful when he said he is just tired of fighting to clear his name.
It is a sad day for sport, his legacy is tainted now with the words "drug cheat". Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on August 24, 2012, 11:01:11 AM I am obviously a supporter of Armstrong, lol. However I find it strange that he would give up his fight so easily. It is not in his nature to give up, so why would he do it now. He beat cancer and won 7 tours, both I would imagine are a far tougher opponent than his latest court proceedings. He has mentioned the effect the case is having on his family. Perhaps he is being truthful when he said he is just tired of fighting to clear his name. It is a sad day for sport, his legacy is tainted now with the words "drug cheat". Because he needed drugs to beat cancer and win the Tours, and you can't take drugs to win a court case? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on August 24, 2012, 11:01:51 AM http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/index-of-lance-armstrong-doping-allegations-over-the-years
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2012, 11:11:44 AM I am obviously a supporter of Armstrong, lol. However I find it strange that he would give up his fight so easily. It is not in his nature to give up, so why would he do it now. He beat cancer and won 7 tours, both I would imagine are a far tougher opponent than his latest court proceedings. He has mentioned the effect the case is having on his family. Perhaps he is being truthful when he said he is just tired of fighting to clear his name. It is a sad day for sport, his legacy is tainted now with the words "drug cheat". Was also a fan. But overwhelming evidence & former team members willing to give evidence against him. Game over. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Ironside on August 24, 2012, 11:23:19 AM I am obviously a supporter of Armstrong, lol. However I find it strange that he would give up his fight so easily. It is not in his nature to give up, so why would he do it now. He beat cancer and won 7 tours, both I would imagine are a far tougher opponent than his latest court proceedings. He has mentioned the effect the case is having on his family. Perhaps he is being truthful when he said he is just tired of fighting to clear his name. It is a sad day for sport, his legacy is tainted now with the words "drug cheat". if it gets to court the evidence against him will be made public and he doesnt want that coming out Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Sark79 on August 24, 2012, 11:46:53 AM I want to believe in the fairytale a while longer before I am ready to admit he is a drug cheat. The fact he isn't fighting to clear his name is cause for concern, there is clearly something he doesn't want getting out in the public domain. That may be the fact he is a drug cheat or it could be something else.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on August 24, 2012, 11:50:16 AM I want to believe in the fairytale a while longer before I am ready to admit he is a drug cheat. The fact he isn't fighting to clear his name is cause for concern, there is clearly something he doesn't want getting out in the public domain. That may be the fact he is a drug cheat or it could be something else. lol! Sadly, the doping world doesn't belong in fairytales Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Sark79 on August 24, 2012, 12:00:25 PM haha, true. I am finding this whole thing hard to deal with. I feel like a kid that has been told Santa isn't real or the tooth fairy is actually your parents :D
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2012, 02:14:40 PM Some reactions from the cycling world
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-case-reactions-from-around-pro-cycling Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on August 24, 2012, 02:23:29 PM What are you on?
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: edgascoigne on August 24, 2012, 02:41:26 PM They were all at it. Every one of them that was competitive in the Tour from about '85 to a couple of years back.
I'd also hazard a guess that ten years from now others will look back on our naivety in believing current Tours are 'clean'. Cyclists are a product of their time. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Longy on August 24, 2012, 03:08:31 PM Good, I found him very condescening and holier than thou attitude pretty sickening when he was obviously as bad as the rest.
Unfortunately I think there is a reasonable chance that our current national cycling heros are looked back at the same way in 10/15 years time. Cycling still has big problems with doping, it is just the case now that the testers can detect the very advantageous drugs (epo etc) of the past, but no doubt there are undetected "lesser" drugs still out there. This is unlikely just to be Cycling's problem, it is likely to be a problem at the top level of most sports imo. Just human nature given the massive rewards for getting an advantage over your rivals. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2012, 03:16:14 PM Good, I found him very condescening and holier than thou attitude pretty sickening when he was obviously as bad as the rest. Unfortunately I think there is a reasonable chance that our current national cycling heros are looked back at the same way in 10/15 years time. Cycling still has big problems with doping, it is just the case now that the testers can detect the very advantageous drugs (epo etc) of the past, but no doubt there are undetected "lesser" drugs still out there. This is unlikely just to be Cycling's problem, it is likely to be a problem at the top level of most sports imo. Just human nature given the massive rewards for getting an advantage over your rivals. I'm told Tennis has/had the biggest doping problem with a massive cover up scandel waiting to explode. Rumour or fact? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on August 24, 2012, 03:27:03 PM There have certainly been rumours about Nadal, but I think the scandals in tennis are more to do with match-fixing and abuse within the women's game than doping.
The thing with cycling is that it has never ever really been clean - even back in the 1920s riders took speed to keep them going, Tommy Simpson was full of it when he died on a stage. There was kind of an implicit knowledge that these guys aren't going to be able to do that for 3 weeks without having a bit of help. I'm pretty sure that Wiggins is clean - he's come from track cycling (which has always had more stringent doping controls) with no big boost in performance. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on August 24, 2012, 03:28:20 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers
As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on August 24, 2012, 03:31:10 PM I'd bet my house (maybe not my life) that Wiggins & the Sky team are clean. The ethos in starting the team was based on this.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: MintTrav on August 24, 2012, 03:33:01 PM This is unlikely just to be Cycling's problem, it is likely to be a problem at the top level of most sports imo. Just human nature given the massive rewards for getting an advantage over your rivals. I'm told Tennis has/had the biggest doping problem with a massive cover up scandel waiting to explode. Rumour or fact? Swimming is full of it. Cielo is the prob the best known one (and allowed back to win a medal at the Olympics a year after testing positive), but it is rampant. Quote from Irish swimmer Barry Murphy at the Olympics "you can almost go into the locker room back there and point out who is doing it". Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Bazzaboy on August 24, 2012, 05:29:49 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: The Camel on August 24, 2012, 06:08:43 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Had dinner with a friend recently, who is one the best judges of athletics betting around. He is absolutely convinced Seb Coe was a cheat. Make significant performance advances at an age when improvement was very unlikely. His 800m times would still put him in the top 3 of today. Every other athlete during the 80s who performed at a level comparable in other events has been unmasked as a drugs cheat. If only this could be proved, I'd be a happy man! Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Teacake on August 24, 2012, 06:26:26 PM What about the practice of "boosting" used by Paralympic athletes!
The International Paralympic Committee will test athletes to ensure the practice of 'boosting' blood pressure ahead of competition to enhance performance does not happen at the London 2012 Paralympics. 'Boosting' - known medically as induced autonomic dysreflexia - has been used by athletes with spinal cord injuries. By inflicting pain below the spinal injury, athletes are able to increase their heart rate which in turn increases the amount of oxygen to the muscles. The condition can be triggered naturally by injury or even sunburn, but can also be induced artificially and can improve performance by up to 10%. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tal on August 24, 2012, 06:41:20 PM How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle?
A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system. Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: smashedagain on August 24, 2012, 08:08:22 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Had dinner with a friend recently, who is one the best judges of athletics betting around. He is absolutely convinced Seb Coe was a cheat. Make significant performance advances at an age when improvement was very unlikely. His 800m times would still put him in the top 3 of today. Every other athlete during the 80s who performed at a level comparable in other events has been unmasked as a drugs cheat. If only this could be proved, I'd be a happy man! Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: tikay on August 24, 2012, 08:25:29 PM No mention of football? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Snowball on August 24, 2012, 08:58:52 PM No mention of football? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: mondatoo on August 24, 2012, 09:19:57 PM No mention of football? YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PR_rzF8ofw Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: rfgqqabc on August 25, 2012, 12:08:00 AM How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle? A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system. Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago. I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tal on August 25, 2012, 12:34:40 AM How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle? A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system. Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago. I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Absolutely. You can't say with any sport - even cycling - "everyone's at it", but the sheer size of a winger nowadays is a world apart from 10-20 years back. They look like flankers and 11s hundred meters, 17st and taking the hits they take every week from similar guys just doesn't feel right. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: rfgqqabc on August 25, 2012, 01:29:34 AM How many rugby players have got to 16/17, signed for big clubs and gone away on a "training camp" somewhere warm, coming back 6 weeks later 17 stone, stacked with muscle? A friend of mine who is, shall I say, a good judge of these things, reckons it's completely accepted in the premiership that everyone stacks up over the summer and cleans up a month or two before the start of the season so there's nothing in the system. Just look how much bigger the backs are these days compared even to ten years ago. I've been involved in decent level of rugby setups up until the age of 18, and the level of fitness and attention to detail is unbelievable. However, it certainly wouldn't surprise me. Absolutely. You can't say with any sport - even cycling - "everyone's at it", but the sheer size of a winger nowadays is a world apart from 10-20 years back. They look like flankers and 11s hundred meters, 17st and taking the hits they take every week from similar guys just doesn't feel right. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Ironside on August 25, 2012, 01:38:56 AM What about the practice of "boosting" used by Paralympic athletes! there is so much "cheating" in disabilty sport its unreal its very common for people to fake there categories as much as i would love to get into the paraolympics i wont be take to take one medal as clean The International Paralympic Committee will test athletes to ensure the practice of 'boosting' blood pressure ahead of competition to enhance performance does not happen at the London 2012 Paralympics. 'Boosting' - known medically as induced autonomic dysreflexia - has been used by athletes with spinal cord injuries. By inflicting pain below the spinal injury, athletes are able to increase their heart rate which in turn increases the amount of oxygen to the muscles. The condition can be triggered naturally by injury or even sunburn, but can also be induced artificially and can improve performance by up to 10%. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Royal Flush on August 25, 2012, 11:20:41 AM Although you might all be right about Rugby a key thing to remember is 10-20 years ago it was nowhere near as big as it is now, the professional changes in rugby mean its inevitable the training gets far more rigorous and far more advanced. As such you should expect a big change in the size of these guys over that period, more people playing professionally means more working out multiple hours every day completely devoted to that and a nutritional plan.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: smashedagain on August 25, 2012, 01:20:48 PM Although you might all be right about Rugby a key thing to remember is 10-20 years ago it was nowhere near as big as it is now, the professional changes in rugby mean its inevitable the training gets far more rigorous and far more advanced. As such you should expect a big change in the size of these guys over that period, more people playing professionally means more working out multiple hours every day completely devoted to that and a nutritional plan. This man had one of the biggest influences on rugby and the build of the players. Put most modern players against the defences Jonah played against then I am sure they would be just as destructiveTitle: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: TightEnd on October 10, 2012, 09:39:46 PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 10, 2012, 09:56:22 PM For anyone interested in the USADA detail
http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf to quote the journalist David Walsh "It is ALL there on http://usada.org, entire report plus all affidavits. No man or woman of sane mind can now never doubt what went on" Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Delboy on October 10, 2012, 10:42:07 PM For anyone interested in the USADA detail http://velonews.competitor.com/files/2012/10/Reasoned-Decision.pdf to quote the journalist David Walsh "It is ALL there on http://usada.org, entire report plus all affidavits. No man or woman of sane mind can now never doubt what went on" true, true; very sad but true Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Delboy on October 10, 2012, 10:59:53 PM The bit about how they stayed un-detected is very interesting, and quite damning of the testing authorities.
Its quite funny that the time honoured way of avoiding an out of comp test is to not open the door and hide!!! Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 10, 2012, 11:06:59 PM Awaiting with interest response from the UCI & Pat McQuaid.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tal on October 10, 2012, 11:13:06 PM If Hincapie accepts it, that's game over now, surely?
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Delboy on October 10, 2012, 11:18:01 PM If Hincapie accepts it, that's game over now, surely? Already happened... http://www.georgehincapie.com/news/ Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tal on October 10, 2012, 11:24:29 PM If Hincapie accepts it, that's game over now, surely? Already happened... http://www.georgehincapie.com/news/ Sorry, yes I meant if in the sense of "if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me". I saw that Hincapie has admitted it. Entirely my fault - a classic case of typing something without the context! Horrible stench of inevitability. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 10, 2012, 11:27:05 PM Not game over until Armstrong admits his guilt & gets over this "Superman" complex., & stops using his Livestong charity as a smokescreen of respectability.
UCI, McQuaid & Verbruggen have to accept their own cover-ups. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 10, 2012, 11:37:49 PM Armstrong's lawyers (laughable) statement "a one-sided hatchet job -- a taxpayer-funded tabloid piece rehashing old, disproved, unreliable allegations based largely on axe-grinders, serial perjurers, coerced testimony, sweetheart deals and threat-induced stories"
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: The Baron on October 11, 2012, 09:01:09 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Had dinner with a friend recently, who is one the best judges of athletics betting around. He is absolutely convinced Seb Coe was a cheat. Make significant performance advances at an age when improvement was very unlikely. His 800m times would still put him in the top 3 of today. Every other athlete during the 80s who performed at a level comparable in other events has been unmasked as a drugs cheat. If only this could be proved, I'd be a happy man! I couldn't agree more with this post. Abs ridiculous times for his era. In fact half of the men's world best times at 800m and nearly all of the women's are a joke. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: kinboshi on October 11, 2012, 09:31:24 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Had dinner with a friend recently, who is one the best judges of athletics betting around. He is absolutely convinced Seb Coe was a cheat. Make significant performance advances at an age when improvement was very unlikely. His 800m times would still put him in the top 3 of today. Every other athlete during the 80s who performed at a level comparable in other events has been unmasked as a drugs cheat. If only this could be proved, I'd be a happy man! I couldn't agree more with this post. Abs ridiculous times for his era. In fact half of the men's world best times at 800m and nearly all of the women's are a joke. I get what you're saying, but to extend that disbelief to the present day - is David Rudisha a cheat (in other words, do you disbelieve that he is a legitimate world-record holder and Olympic champ)? I have heard people cast aspersions at Paula's marathon WR, and her stance on doping is very well known. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: The Baron on October 11, 2012, 09:44:38 PM Athletics, swimming...certainly suspicions that athletes are ahead of the testers As well as cycling, which other sports are suspected of widespread malpractice? It is rife in boxing in my opinion. There have been a few failed tests recently but that's only the tip of the iceberg. The sanctions imposed on those who have failed tests have hardly been a deterrent to others either Had dinner with a friend recently, who is one the best judges of athletics betting around. He is absolutely convinced Seb Coe was a cheat. Make significant performance advances at an age when improvement was very unlikely. His 800m times would still put him in the top 3 of today. Every other athlete during the 80s who performed at a level comparable in other events has been unmasked as a drugs cheat. If only this could be proved, I'd be a happy man! I couldn't agree more with this post. Abs ridiculous times for his era. In fact half of the men's world best times at 800m and nearly all of the women's are a joke. I get what you're saying, but to extend that disbelief to the present day - is David Rudisha a cheat (in other words, do you disbelieve that he is a legitimate world-record holder and Olympic champ)? I have heard people cast aspersions at Paula's marathon WR, and her stance on doping is very well known. Rudisha, I would like to think is clean. I would say 3 or 4 of the men's top 10 times in the 800m are held by cheats - Coe definitely being one. Probably 7 or 8 of the women's. If Paula isn't clean I may as well give up watching athletics. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on October 11, 2012, 11:02:22 PM If Paula isn't clean I may as well give up watching athletics. Well, there was that one marathon where she was dirty... Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: jakally on October 12, 2012, 12:34:22 AM I would say 3 or 4 of the men's top 10 times in the 800m are held by cheats - Coe definitely being one. Is there anything come to light to back this up? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Longy on October 12, 2012, 12:51:15 AM This week there was a 30 for 30 doc on espn in the us about Seoul Olympics 100 m final which was good. Basically they were all at it with the exception of Calvin smith who got the bronze after Ben Johnson was disqualified. This is rife in every top level sport IMO and you just have to except it.
Fwiw Carl Lewis comes across as a a terrible self righteous pos in the docu and might be one of least favourite sporting personalities ever. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 15, 2012, 01:19:51 PM Excellent investigative documentary on the Armstrong doping affair. Worth a watch.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/11/3608613.htm Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 17, 2012, 03:20:24 PM Pressure builds....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19978608 Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: AndrewT on October 18, 2012, 02:08:40 PM Good article speculating that Lance will confess all soon.
http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-coming-confession/ Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: The Camel on October 18, 2012, 03:09:08 PM Good article speculating that Lance will confess all soon. http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-coming-confession/ I was starting to feel a little sympathy for Armstrong until I read that. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: kinboshi on October 18, 2012, 03:21:39 PM Will he have to return his overseas SPOTY trophy?
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Woodsey on October 18, 2012, 04:11:51 PM Wish I could be stripped of my dignity and left with a $100 million fortune lol ;whistle;
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: millidonk on October 18, 2012, 04:22:24 PM Wish I could be stripped of my dignity and left with a $1 million fortune lol ;whistle; fyp Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Woodsey on October 18, 2012, 04:37:34 PM Wish I could be stripped of my dignity and left with a $1 million fortune lol ;whistle; fyp http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/athletes/lance-armstrong-net-worth/ Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: kinboshi on October 18, 2012, 04:41:13 PM Wish I could be stripped of my dignity and left with a $1 million fortune lol ;whistle; fyp http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/athletes/lance-armstrong-net-worth/ Wonder how much of that will be 'recovered'. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 19, 2012, 07:48:11 PM UCI are expected to give their verdict on Armstrong in a press conference on monday. Should be interesting!
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tal on October 19, 2012, 08:24:01 PM [ ] they say everything was fine and Nike immediately reinstate their sponsorship
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: MintTrav on October 19, 2012, 08:52:51 PM Pity he died before justice caught up with him.
I saw on some site that all his records are going to be rescinded and Buzz Aldrin will be declared the first man to walk on the moon. Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Marky147 on October 22, 2012, 06:03:57 PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20008520 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20008520) So when do the UCI get to stripping Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, Anquetil of their TDF titles? Not sticking up for Armstrong, but lets face it they were ALL dirty! I was just reading the link that Woodsey posted for Armstrong's net worth, I saw that Indurain won 5 on the spin and first thought was 'I wonder how much gear he was banging in' Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: kinboshi on October 23, 2012, 09:46:55 PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20038998
Wonder how much he's got saved for a rainy day? Title: Re: Lance Armstrong gives up the fight Post by: Tonji on October 24, 2012, 09:19:29 PM An important piece on Armstrong written by Selena Roberts, a US writer for Sports Illustrated & NY Times.
How Lance Duped the Mighty: The Influence Peddler. http://reader.roopstigo.com/view/roopster/story/595#/chapter/1/ |