Title: live £50 freezout Post by: Donk23 on September 06, 2012, 09:46:36 PM 80 entrants, 45 remaining, 8 get paid
15k starting stack 7 levels in with blinds at 500/1k with 100 antes, 20 minute clock Hero has just been moved to a new table, alot of limping occurring in the first two orbits Hero is in the BB with Ahrt 3h with 20k stack, Villain limps from mid position with SB completing. Hero checks flop comes 9h 6h 4d SB checks, Hero checks, Villain bets 3K SB folds Hero? Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: placewise on September 06, 2012, 10:29:21 PM I would prefer to lead the flop, then you can barrel alot of turns. So you could take down the pot on 2 opportunities without showdown or get there with your equity in the hand.
Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: pleno1 on September 06, 2012, 10:54:13 PM Shove pre flop, enough dead money and you get called literally less than 5% of the time as played. C/shove now. Checking is underrated here and think its fine.
Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: muckthenuts on September 06, 2012, 11:45:21 PM Shove pre, we add like 20% to our stack when we get it through.
Lead flop as played. Our equity cuts hugely if we see a blank turn and a bet gets less credibility this way. Lead flop/barrel a bunch of turns if it doesn't get through which will be a stronger line then checking giving us more ways to win the pot. Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: cambridgealex on September 07, 2012, 02:57:26 AM Shove pre
Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: placewise on September 07, 2012, 07:49:44 AM Shove pre I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?! FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot. Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: cambridgealex on September 07, 2012, 01:04:14 PM People have already given excellent reasons why its a totally standard jam pre. Wouldve been a waste of time to just copy out what they'd written. So my post was just saying I agree with them.
Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: JK on September 07, 2012, 02:02:22 PM Shove pre I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?! FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot. I think you are massively overestimating the amount you're getting called here. And massive overrating the kind of hands these players will limp call with. As play, check shove is nut line imo Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: Donk23 on September 07, 2012, 02:54:21 PM Is there any scope for check raising to 7.2-7.7k and shoving most turns or are we not deep enough?
also does a check shove not polarise our range? should have shoved pre! Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: BulldozerD on September 07, 2012, 03:07:11 PM Don't think pre is an auto jam but would probably be my line. As played it's a slam dunk c/jam for me
Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: placewise on September 07, 2012, 04:58:44 PM Shove pre I thought this was called Poker Hand ANALYSIS not smash your hand on the keyboard and see what comes out?! FWIW if your going to shove pre in this spot I would rather do it with broadway hands and any PP and connectors. At least IF you are called (its more likely he will fold) you aren't in a dominated spot. I think you are massively overestimating the amount you're getting called here. And massive overrating the kind of hands these players will limp call with. As play, check shove is nut line imo Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: cambridgealex on September 07, 2012, 05:26:15 PM It's getting through say 90% of the time so 90% of the time we add 20% to our stack
Of the 10% we get called, we'll have about 30% equity almost everytime so we double 3%, bust 7%. =massively +EV. We have an Ace blocker making it less likely our opponents have AA,AK, AQ or AJ that they'll call with. It's standard because it's far superior to any other line. Title: Re: live £50 freezout Post by: placewise on September 07, 2012, 07:41:58 PM If I'm ever on your table ill make sure I limp your big blind then ;)
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