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Tell me if im just being a miserable old nit but £180 juice on a 2k tourny? That not seem a lot? What exactly would the reason for this be?

For the chance of a shot at one of these ;)

(http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/smashedagain/4748579D-0CE2-4F10-BAE6-336292087F6E-293-000000BD7B26472F.jpg)

It's sponsored by rake the rake, so see if you can find some east european affiliate that will get you 70% rakeback.

For the 1 tourny i play per week? Be lucky to pay for a chinese every month :)

Why Chinese ? Can't it b a pizza or Indian ?

By my calculations that is £136.  It doesn't have to be Hakkasan you know......

What ever it is thats still a fcuk load of take away how many people r u feadding lol

there's a webcast every day

http://www.englishpokeropen.com/

Anyone know where the daily chip counts are? The event is being blogged?

Is any event really getting 'blogged' when you're not doing it?

er, thanks, the phone hasn't started ringing though!

seriously, where are the chip counts? Its a £2000 event after all!

Best I can offer you is that its being streamed on delay and the commentary was pretty funny yesterday

good, I'll check out the feed today.

Commentators?

Matt Broughton and 'grub' I think his name was. May not be everyone's cup of tea.

Grub Smith. :)

Some info!

As expected an absolutely stacked line up was on hand the Fox Poker Club for the opening flight of the £250k guaranteed RakeTheRake.com English Poker Open yesterday. By the close of play, the 71 starters had been whittled down to just 30 with EPT Grand Final $25k High Roller winner Igor Kurganov leading the way.
The Russian will return tomorrow with a stack of 117,450, just ahead of Rhys Jones (116,100), Ian Simpson (106,325) and 2010 English Open third place finisher Mathew Frankland (99,175).


The line up is absolutely loaded further down the chip counts with WSOP Hall of Fame nominee Chris Bjorin (86,575), defending champ Fabian Quoss (81,850), Neil Channing (78,875), triple British Poker Awards winner Sam Trickett (77,975) and last week's Unibet Open London winner Pratik Ghatge (70,475) all in the top ten!


Further back are the likes of the Hit Squad's Karl Mahrenholz, WSOP bracelet winner Scott Shelley, WSOP November Niner James Akenhead, BlackBelt Poker's Jamie Burland and EPT Vilamoura winner Toby Lewis.


Plenty of more big names are expected for the second opening flight which gets under way at 2pm today. Late entry is available until 9pm.

I am playing the GUKPT in London tomorrow, am glad I swerved this one.  Rhys Jones is a very good player online if you haven't heard of him.

yup, floppinhell.

Rhys Jones that is.

Tough field!

 ;goodluck; to baltic blonde today

I'm giving it a spin today along with Rob Yong

On feature table running golden obv

Can someone please post what people have in hands against me? Would very much appreciate it, ty

liv had KQo against you on the KJ7 flop

Guy on your right ace 10 Chinese guy in hat ace7 hh
What did u have ak ? Or a set ?

Is that really " right and proper" Mr D?

Feels a little wrong to me.

Just interested

Whats the delay on the feed?

Mobiles not confiscated from players at the table?

30 mins delay and i think its fine to go and watch the stream as you play if you wanted to, not heard it branded once that you couldnt do it and i have been on the stream a couple of times there.

Golden indeed - nobody spews with  9h Ks v me on an all clun board.....mbn

glgl - good result last night too, hope you enjoyed "delights" of Watford

100% legit I'm just the last person at the table to sort it lol

What did Liv and Ben have in that 6bet pot?

Don't seem right or proper to me !
No matter who's doing it !

For what reason? We are all agreeing to show our cards, what's the point of that if we close our eyes?

Only thing wrong with it is people sometimes don't know it is streaming online and/or don't have the capacity to retreive info from the coverage.

Because its not the way it's intended surely
If seat 2 does not have someone to relay the information he is at a disadvantage to say seat 3 that has blonde in his corner!
How can this be on a level playing field ?

I'm sure that's a joke! Flushy has a dry sense of humour

I hope so

I definitely wasn't.

If you've got a stream, and you are letting people phone a friend, just put the stream up on a screen in the card room (on delay, obviously).

I didn't expect Mr. Rob Yong to b in ur side .  I think u r good enough
Mr. D to have info about other players ...
#WhatALife

i know i saw this happen at Gentings players championship last year as i remember watching my exit in the bar after the event quite depressing!

This is a most sensible idea

No dispute or argument to that.

I agree level playing field as should be !

So you would also say its grossly unfair for me to talk to great poker minds on the breaks and discuss strategy yes?

Putting it on the internet and allowing players to use their 'phones is tacit acceptance of players getting updates, as far as I'm concerned.

General sportsmanship would include making sure the rest of the table know, but that box seems to have been ticked.

Streaming it in full view of the table a few mins later would be weird, surely? Which would you be watching?!

obviously ok to get updates from people, the streamers and not the opportunists should be the ones taking the brunt of any eithical concerns that arise.

It's not the same obviously ......they wouldn't of seen your opponents hole cards.

This. Not doing it is giving an advantage to those who are

:) :D

In the Million $ drop, didnt all players agree to show their hands face up if they were in the hand, to stop people texting etc! seems fair that!

Yeah everytime I see someone cheating I cheat too  ;dingdell;
You know a bunch of guys are colluding so would you do the same with your mates?
It's a wide sweeping statement but I agree you need to be looking for advantages, but unfair advantages are another dilemma.

We've had this arguement before. Deffo nothing wrong with having friends watch the stream. Not his fault or problem if someone else at the table doesn't have mates that can watch it or chooses not to ask someone for the info. Likening it to cheating or being unethical is completely ridiculous

Agree

It's not unethical, it is using ALL the information available

Man City knew they had to score twice in stoppage time as the Man U game had finished, it wasn't unethical for them to seek that info, the games kicked off together to ensure fairness, they used info freely available to them.

To clarify, as it was me who started this debate, which I now almost wish I had not.

It is not an argument, I simply asked James a polite question. James is a good friend, he & I can discuss these things openly, & I think the question was fair.

James would not "cheat" in a million years, & I never suggested as such.

"Unethical"? Not quite sure if it is, or not, but that was not my point.

It just "feels" a bit dirty to me. There may be some Billy No Mates at the Table, or those who do not have the advantage of a bunch of onside friends on blonde to ask.

It is certainly not cheating, & it is apparently well within the rules, or at least the letter of them, if not the spirit.

It just seems to me that poker was not intended to be played this way, with players at the table frantically Posting on assorted Forums in an attempt to gain an edge. Where will that end, with some players having their own dedicated "stream spy" to relay them info?

Perhaps fairer is if all the players can watch the delayed stream, everyone has the same info then.

I suppose it's a generation gap thing, which I readily concede, as I am approaching my dotage, whereas James is merely late middle-aged.   

These

Correctamondo. And a disadvantage to those who don't.

It is the system, or organisers, that has thrown up this anomoly, not the players.

Exactly what I was trying to get out in my post tikay I just have trouble in getting my point accross

Evidently I do, too, judging by a rather acerbic PM I had about it!

Anyway, concensus seems to suggest it is fine & dandy, so there it is.

Do you get kicked out of comp for not showing cards to camera?

I'd not allow the camera to see my cards. Stops Seat 2 from asking his mate back home what I had. ;)

There'd be quite a hoohah if they tried to disqualify me because I refused to let the camera see my hand.

The disruption caused to players, & play, during the WSOP main by ESPN is incredibly bad, & the players don't get a penny of recompense. Bang wrong, that, but every year, the players dutifully go along with it. It is part of the T & C's, of course, but there'd be a barney & a half if Billy Big Name (say, Little Danny) got disqualified for not showing. Camel might agree though..... 

I'm not sure I agree- at the end of the day, you know about it before you enter the tournament. I had to show on my Sky final table. Plus you could argue that having cards up poker on TV is good for the game, and so if you are a good player, it is good for you.

Tikay sums it up pretty well IMO. It's not cheating and probably not strictly unethical, but poker should be a game of incomplete infornmation, which it no longer is.
I'm sure if someone shouted loudly enough in the UK the GC may well take an interest

But impossible Danny wouldn't show his cards.

He would do anything for tv exposure.

If ESPN asked him to stroll through the Rio wearing nothing but a ten gallon hat and a big smile singing the Lumberjack song the only question he'd ask is "In B flat or B Major?"

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

If I became an F1 driver and made the podium, I'd refuse to wear a baseball cap on the basis that I don't have a hat head and baseball caps make the case for this most strongly. It would affect my image as well, so there would be a financial detriment too.

And my wrist is way too thin for a Breitling. I'd look like I was wearing a watch designed by Kenny Everett.

But you would not mind looking daft, as you'd be PAID for wearing them.......

Players are not paid to show their hole cards & I'm not sure they should feel obliged to, (T & C's excepted) especially if it may confer an advantage to others.

I don't believe for one moment that the EPO organisers thought this may happen.

I guess they will tolerate it though, as watching the Stream raises the profile of the Event, & it's Sponsors, which they understandably find acceptable & pleasing.   

Can't believe my post didn't get any love.

Pretty damn proud of it on all sorts of levels.

It was like your Tweets, Keith, a thing of beauty to some, "you are an appendage" to others. Sir.

I did tee it up especially for you, too, with the DN reference. ;)

I was chatting to someone, who's pretty savvy when it comes to technology, at UKIPT Newcastle and he told me about Google Vision Glasses (see link below). Basically he reckoned that poker players could wear them at the table and essentially be able to have a live HUD. I wasn't really convinced to be honest, but he seemed adamant that players who wore these would be able to use them to their advantage somehow.

http://twistedsifter.com/2012/04/project-glass-googles-vision-for-augmented-reality/

I am going to Dragons' Den immediately!

Can we invent a pair of sunglasses that use facial recognition software to sync up to notes you have already made about them? When you look across your table, you see arrows hovering above their heads with "Massive fish", "Comedy Station" or "Avoid at all costs".

Hands up who's in!

During the DTD 500 on the early feature table after the break (25 minutes after the hand) the villlain said loud and clear on the table 'nice play with the ace' or similair, having had the news of a particular hand we were in. It left me feeling a little bit 'cheated'. So whilst its allowable it definately felt to me that it wasnt in the spirit of the game to use that information and then publicy declare you have done the same.

At DTD your phone is taken off you if you are on the feature, and access to the feed is blocked to anyone in the building

So everything is done to make the access to information the same as everyone

Of course you can't stop Friend at home texting friend at rail who then tells player at the break, and a reasonable delay on the feed seeks to minimise the impact of that information being available on the "game flow"

So when you enter the comp you know that a little bit of tournament integrity might be  lost if you make the final as info can get from rail to table but you also know that the stream helps promote the club, brings players in, gives you yourself coverage, helps friends and family rail you, for thirsd party events gives sponsors value etc etc etc. (albeit arguably players do nothing to obtain a value for their presence on a stream, their image rights etc etc)

I'm not criticising the players in the EPO or necessarily even the organisers, but phones at the table etc takes the issue of it being a game of incomplete information, but everyone having the same incomplete information, into different areas in my opinion

You can justifiably say that the stream can be shown in the club, or phones taken off players, or players not talk to the rail until off the feature, I don't really mind but the point is that the extent of the information should be EQUALLY available to all players on a feature. Not sure it is in the EPO, but equally if I was on it I'd want the advantage too, as it currently allows

and as they entered today, the Poker News report summarised as follows

Day 1b of the English Poker Open attracted 68 player, taking the total number of entrants to 138, and these players have created a £276,000 prize pool. The man who ended the day as the chip leader, and also became the overall chip leader, was Mohammed Haque with 178,000 chips.

Haque is a regular at the Fox Poker Club, the fantastic venue that is hosting this year's English Poker Open, in fact he took down the Fox Poker Club Main Event in September last year for a bankroll-boosting score of £12,650.

Day 1b also saw a number of high profile players buy in for £2,180 and then progress through to today's Day 2 with very healthy stacks. Ben Jackson is one of the best up-and-coming players this country has to offer and the man sporting Genting Poker colours finished the day with 109,400 chips, which is enough to place him fourth overall. Joining Jackson and Co. is Mickey “mement_mori” Petersen with 102,600 chips. Petersen is a Team PokerStars online pro and a European Poker Tour champion. Now the young Dane has plenty of chips to play with he is going to be a real pain in the neck for anyone on his table.

Other notable players to navigate through include Steve Watts (90,375), Manig Loeser (75,600) and poker veteran Surinder Sunar (56,350).

Play resumes this afternoon where the 63 surviving players will battle it down to what we believe will be the final table. Join us tomorrow to find out which stars made it through and who fell by the wayside.

English Poker Open Day 2 Top 10 Chip Counts
Position   Name   Chips
1   Mohammed Haque   178,000
2   Igor Kurganov   117,450
3   Rhys Jones   116,100
4   Ben Jackson   109,400
5   Ian Simpson   103,625
6   Mickey Petersen   102,600
7   Mathew Frankland   99,175
8   Marvin Babul   92,725
9   Steve Watts   90,375
10   Chris Bjorin   86,575


Read more: http://uk.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/english-poker-open-day-1b-mohammed-haque-grabs-overall-chip-9184.htm

I'm genuinely shocked at a lot of the opinions of people here about live streamed hole cards and the idea that people should all show their cards and then choose not to look.

As a side note i did not show my hole cards for the first 2 hrs yesterday until i was shown how the whole system worked, basically nobody has access to the feed in real time which was my fear being in a poker club with over 100 people milling around.

Whoever suggested having the stream in the room came up with the best solution imo. I love Rob and DTD but the idea that you can have a TV table in the same room as a few hundred people and think that just taking phones away will solve the issue is a tad optimistic...just stream it in the club or put your TV table in a separate room and sequester the players.

Updates to this event is shocking need a proper blog and updates . Should have employed tighty

so say a miracle happens and i make a final table at DTD which is live streamed and i refuse to show my cards... what punnishment could be levelled against me given that i havent signed a release or waiver

It's a good question, one for Simon and team. Will ask when I am next in

On a related issue, when we went from 17 to 16 and streaming last Sunday, we had an Anon in the field. He gave permission to go named and shown. Would have been interesting if he insisted on Anon, or even if he could have insisted



p.s GUKPT London underway today, will put daily round ups on here too starting tomorrow. Many blondes playing

in the UKIPT we had to sign something to say our images etc could be used. i asked what would happen if i didnt sign it to which i was told by one of the staff that i would be disqualified.... doubt this would have happened!  i am not saying i wouldnt agree just want to know what actual sanctions there are in such a situation.

Should've 4bet them light.

Camel on feature table, and not showing his cards. ;)

Awaiting bouncers to arrive and chuck him out the window.

Is this really true?

There's no way I'd let anyone take my phone. There's far too much private information in there.

They can ask me to switch it off and not let me look at it whilst I'm at the table but other than that it's mine and nobody's getting their mitts on it.

If it's in the Ts and Cs can you let me know because I'd rather not play than have someone take my phone.

Yea this seems like the worst of both worlds.  Players should either be sequestered to completely level the playing field, with no information for anyone. Or it should be totally open and available to all, again levelling the playing field.  The middle ground is the least fair as players who surreptitiously get info from the stream have a huge advantage.  Which is ironic because I'm sure that's what Rob was trying to avoid.

You could always leave your phone at home whilst winning 5 figs ?

#wonderswhatsonmattsphone

My understanding is you put your phone in a sealed bag. Get knocked out, get phone back in same sealed bag, which you can see has not been opened

If I am giving my phone to any one at Dtd it better come back with some naughty pictures on it.

Really shocked by the small field for the EPO. I accept you can't run everything at Dtd but the first year it ran at Dtd was amazing.

Where were all the qualifiers?

online : I don't think the Genting ones really got the numbers to run. Lock poker ran one GTD seat on Sunday's leading up to it. Some other sites were also trying sats I think.

Not sure how the live sats at the Fox went, but they were Guaranteeing about 10 seats in the week leading up.

I just remember when raketherake sent loads of qualifiers and it was very soft :(

Yeah you could buy the seats off people for half face value :)

Ripple was you levelling about the Camel not showing

No Keith wasn't showing.
 Also happened with some other guy when they changed feature table.....and on commentary they said although it's in the t&c's to show........the floor were allowing players not to show to the camera, due to the amount of money at stake. ;carlocitrone;

Oh really. Always thought I would not show but honestly don't think I would have the balls not to show. I have seen a couple of tweets asking for people to message hands. Bit of a farce but like George said earlier, if everyone is doing it...

Interesting hand coming up

Sam slowplays AA against his horse at the feature table

http://www.englishpokeropen.com/

Commentators Broughton and Zimbler

Chris Sly 10,000 UTG with  Kd 9d

Sam T calls  Aspades Ahrt

Jamie Roberts flats in the big with  2h 2s

 Qs 2d 5h

check

Sky 10,000

Trickett calls

Roberts c-raise 34,000

Sly fold

Sam call

 Th

Roberts 52,000

Trickett shove 150,000 total

call

Set holds

Roberts big chip leader, 1/7th of chips in play 30 left

Trickett bar bound


current feature has stato, mondeoman, actionjack, ben jackson, floppinhell


good line up

Turns a fold but he knows that anyway

Sam Trickett ‏@Samtrickett1

That's annoying!!! My horse opens and I have AA so I can't 3bet,cuz I don't Wna bust him,haha! Then ignored my gut and stacked off on Q52 ss


Which is how I knew to turn on the stream.........

Neil Channing ‏@SenseiChanning

Anyone who has my number fancy texting the hands from the EPO live stream. Starts 10pm but I could be out by then. Working with 14 bbs.

Updates on stato/deadman/mondeoman?

Stato bust AJ<TT BTN vs SB for like 18 bigs just short of the money. Keith was still in as I believe was Deadman.

Simon was playing cash in vic earlier I saw

Boo ok ty

Can't believe this has gone without response.

Very disappointing behaviour, basically admitting to collusion.

Someone did post something similar on his Facebook earlier.

Edit. Removed from Facebook now

It didn't read well

He got loads of flak on his twitter feed and clarified

Sam Trickett ‏@Samtrickett1

My last tweet came across wrong!! What I really meant to say is he was gna fold to my 3bet unless he has KK so decided to trap! Haha #shitm8

He is 100 times more likely to bust him by flatting. If he was colluding he would just 3bet obviously. Dont take everything u read literally

Stupid thing to say/post though.

Ever since the Paul Maxwell ft at Bellagio I've thought horses and stakers should be kept off the same table

Yeah it reads badly but its obvious its way easier to collude by 3betting big hands only rather than flatting

1 How can Tournament organisers enforce that, or even be aware of all the swaps etc? If they try to, how do you do that when tables break, fields get smaller later in the comp?

2 Tonight's feature had 8 players on it. At least 3 staker/backer relationships on it, which is coincidental. Bet there are loads in these big comps that are more private than these too

(Its a 125 runner field with no satellite qualifiers, so the concentration of it is going to be way bigger in this than many other live streamed comps)

Actionjack  in the form of his life and good to see.

I said I wasn't going to show my cards to the cameras, and that was it.

They wittered something about t and c's.

I refused point blank.

If they had threatened to throw me out of the tournament, I would have relented, but I think my blog would have restarted asap.

I already thought of the title. "Fucked at the Fox"

How can a live stream be more important than the integrity of the tournament it is showing?

Ridiculous advantage that those who had an iphone / ipad had over those without.

Only solutions would be the one which DTD imposed of removing phones/iphones from all players (nott ideal obviously) or to show the stream on one the plasma tvs. Again not ideal, as it gives a small edge to the players not on the feature table.

Dunno why the live stream shows hole cards anyway? EPT do pretty well without them.

the EPT has good commentators

Funnily enough I made a play on the live table which I have made only 3 times before in tournaments.

It needs pretty precise conditions to run it, which were fulfilled today.

It has worked every time I've tried it and worked agian today.

Certainly wouldn't want people seeing it as I've not seen anyone else try it.

Having done both, far prefer comms with no hole cards. Talking ranges, types of plays it might be, player images is purer I think, so easy to talk hindsight poker if you have hole cards/perfect information obviously!

and funnily enough makes comms when you know the hole cards harder, I have found (perversely).

According to someone I follow on twitter - who is a very bright guy -  he was convinced there was no irony in what Sam said in his post bust out interview.


@peterjbirks

That was my first thought.But when he spoke on the EPO, it seemed a genuine "I backed him, I don't want to knock him out" line.

Does he play poker? If u dont want to knock someone out then u just tell them beforehand you will only raise them when you have the nuts. You wouldnt say il flat when ive got it. Way way too complicated cos u then have to flat all playable stuff to make it look realistic.

Yes, he plays alot.

I haven't seen the clip, so I can't really comment. But Pete is a journalist and a poker player.

I understand totally what you are saying and the easiest way to collude would be just to fold the aces or shove allin.

Pete is a pretty sound judge though.

But what im saying is correct so therefore he is wrong. Noone on earth colludes by flatting Aces pre, it causes unneccesary dilemnas postflop, its easier to make a big fold pre from the horse and explain rather than fold Aces post when ur Sam

Yehut if they are on tv and sly folds like 10s or aq people will even start talking about collusion. I he has jj-kk then it's just orally obvious. He is raising from utg it's not like bvb or something, some people, especially players who massively believe in balance like I think trickett probably is never 3bet a utg anyway so flatting doesn't look that suspicious from me.

Totally agree with the Shallow. He defo just raises pre as its so much simpler if hes colluding

Fair enough.

Still a stupid thing to tweet/say in an interview.

think  the techology at dtd is reading the cards (chipped deck)    is that right ????
in which case you have no choice but to show  

From 2+2

 Re: Trickett collusion tweet?
Uhhh... A few weeks ago, Neil Channing flatly stated on the 2+2 Pokercast that Trickett colluded and multiaccounted while at the Pokerfarm. Not the biggest deal in the world, but its clear that Trickett has a loose sense of poker ethics.


Is this true?

Did Neil say this?

Now that I dont disagree with at all! From somebody who should know better as well

God Keith surely you know all the pokerfarm stuff lol.

It's pretty comedy.

but he said in his interview with paul zimbler after that the reason why he only called with aces pre was because he couldnt bust his 'horse' as he had 50% in him and was only ever going to call him down hence the call against his horse on the flop !!!

how is that not collusion then dubai?

From tricketts tone, even on Facebook it really looked like he really meant it

its on this thread camel, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/james-bord-brands-paul-zimbler-conman-hustler-1238058/

lol, trickett doesn't "massively believe in balance". This isn't meant as a dig as he is obviously brilliant, but he's not what you'd call a mathematically rigorous player.

That's not to say that he wouldn't get that flatting is probably more lucrative, but he states the motive for his call right there in his tweet, "cuz I don't Wna bust him". Any attempt to spin it any other way is just fanboyism.

I cannot believe I have not seen this thread before.

Astounding reading.

Its pretty funny. Blingblangblaow confirmed was there and has some pretty funny stories..

The 'these pigeons would grind 'nl25 and if they had a hard spot they'd put  their hand up and a guide would be there to help them' is pretty funny you could probably make a tv show out of the whole thing.

Did Paul Zimbler have any defence to the accusation I've read a million times about the missing charity money ? Nevermind all the other shit!

Edit: I wasn't asking just to start round 2 of the Zimbler bashing btw, just if the repeated accusations I've read are true, which I didn't want to just assume were, then I think it's diabolical and an absolute joke that reputable places/tours are asking him to do work for them, really ? The problem is a lot of the poker community/gambler's have such a frivolous attitude to money that they don't acknowledge this sort of situation the way a "normal" person would, people who do this sort of stuff should be forced out of the community, not just accepted and everyone just ignore the scummy stuff they've done. Something like what happened with Blatch were a degen gambler got loads of people to give him money and knocked it in is forgivable imo, not defending him obv but shit happens. Someone calculatingly setting out to steal from people is very different though and it's sad that people just think it's acceptable and these people are welcomed in the poker world, they shouldn't be able to show their faces again.

@thinkingpoker: What? RT @Samtrickett1: That's annoying!!! My horse opens and I have AA so I can't 3bet,cuz I don't Wna bust him,haha!

This guy is crazy tweeting that. Wtf?

Actually it's only half a tweet maybe?

Weird. He deleted it pretty quick tho.

Surely he can't be that daft?

Ray he absolutely refutes all the charity allegations

He mentioned them to me face to face when I worked with him recently. I don't know the facts either way but don't equate silence with any acceptance on his behalf of some of the stuff being posted

FWIW I would definitely keep an open mind on this. Far too easy to sling mud online and for people (like you here) to assume that it must be true.

The fact is he has been hounded off facebook and other social media by people impersonating him and malicious stuff, so his refutation is not currently there to see as the facebook account where he posted it has been deleted

Merged into here Alex, been discussed on this thread for a few hours already

I didn't assume it was true ? Just like I said I didn't want to do so, and haven't. My point is relevant whether it be true or not, I never said he personally shouldn't be welcomed, just there are other people who are known to have done scummy things that still play the different circuits everyday and are welcomed to do so.

Did Paul Zimbler have any defence to the accusation I've read a million times about the missing charity money ? Nevermind all the other shit!

Edit: I wasn't asking just to start round 2 of the Zimbler bashing btw, just if the repeated accusations I've read are true, which I didn't want to just assume were, then I think it's diabolical and an absolute joke that reputable places/tours are asking him to do work for them, really ?

He refutes it, the repeated accusations obviously aren't proven to be true.

The points italicised and then in bold that you wrote come awfully close to making this point "I never said he personally shouldn't be welcomed," that you then wrote a bit moot

I repeat I don't know either way about it all, I keep an open mind and I assume this what people using Paul for poker work are doing

You just ignored the bit were I said "if the repeated accusation I've read are true" ?

If it's all false rumours then the rest of that sentence can be ignored. The rest of my post is regards the whole community and there attitude and not just one persons behaviour so not sure how it's moot but ok.

No, I know that

I said "you come awfully close" to making assumptions. That may be too harsh, I'm not trying to dig at you

Other people, especially on 2+2, go way beyond that and in this way the mud slinging becomes accepted fact

It may be fact, but we don't know

I pretty much never read 2+2 as it seems that's all that goes on over there.

Anyone can make accusations about anbody for there own purpose and it doesn't take long for that to get way out of hand especially on the internet and innocent people can end up getting crucified so I'm not a fan of just accepting something I hear or read on the internet to be true. I think the charity thing happened a good while ago before I followed anything to do with poker so I was mostly just curious to whether it was public knowledge about the true facts of what had happened.

The only thing which isn't in dispute from the charity thing is Paul Z took money from Betfair to sponsor the whole thing and then proceeded to get sponsored himself by FTP, for the reward of playing several high buyin tournaments.

Maybe not the shadiest thing ever, but pretty unethical in my book.

folding ???

Asides from zimblers Trustworthiness the fact they all get him for every yor just seems really really weird. Maybe there is a current demand for poker commentators in the uk

Of course there is. Whether it is the D 4 Events team at the GUKPT, the NutsTV team, Andy Booth's RFID tables at the GPS or the technology that has gone into DTD the majority of UK tours and events have put significant resources into streams and webcasts most of which have a commentary requirement

44 of 123 made it through 1a of GUKPT London

End Of Day 1a Chip Counts

Sami Yusuf - 138,600
Iaran Lightbourne - 109,000
Mark Karoullas - 98,400
Ken Wong - 91,075
Rupom Pal - 82,100
Karoly Kiss - 80,825
Van Pham - 79,975
Vincent Meli - 73,550
David Barnes - 73,325
Alain Wehbe - 70,925
Clive Sinclair - 70,475
Marius Lietuvnikas - 68,975
Will Martin - 64,175
Robin Keston - 63,000
Gruffudd Pugh-Jones - 61,525
Blair Hampton - 60,325
James Rann - 57,250
Tron McEntree - 56,125
Andrey Dimitrov - 50,700
Ramey Shaio - 49,800
Antony McKay - 46,475
Paul Byrne - 46,450
Bryan Peattie - 45,875
Elliot Panyi - 44,075
Howard Smith - 43,500
David Barraclough - 40,725
Jim Lody - 38,825
Barny Boatman - 34,575
Lalit Khajuria - 34,225
Weikang Wang - 34,075
Dervis Ozkarapinar - 33,525
Kevin Allen - 32,500
Neil McCulloch - 32,175
Ian Cordts - 31,400
Selcuk Ozmus - 31,275
Andrew Christoforou - 30,725
Ionut Stochita - 29,900
Samuel Gillis - 29,450
Arrash Zafari - 28,650
Danny Toffel - 27,575
Adrian Passfield - 27,000
Andrew Seden - 21,450
Bernardo Battistotti - 21,150
Cai Huang - 18,600

It’s been a very eventful second day thus far at the EPO2012. Only 19 players remain in the hunt for the £78,660 top prize out of the original 63 runners that began Day 2.
 
Poker star Sam Trickett is the latest player to bust out after he lost a big hand to Jamie Roberts. Trickett slow-played his pocket rockets in a three-handed pot where the flop was dealt Qs-5s-2h. Chris O’Donnell (Kd-9d) led out with an 8k raise, Sam called, and Jamie Roberts (2d-2c) raised to 34k with his set; O’Donnell folded while Trickett called. The turn came out Th, which prompted Roberts to bet 52k and Trickett to call, thus putting him all-in. A meaningless 4d fell on the river, which gave Roberts a massive 209k pot and put him atop the chip count with 504,300.
 
Rhys Jones is also doing pretty well with 269,200 chips after winning a big hand against Andrew Hulme. Following a flop of 2c-6s-5c, Hulme (Jc-9c) bet 14k, which Jones (Ac-7c) called. A turn of 2h prompted Hulme to bet 37.6k, and Jones called once again. The river card of 6c gave both players flushes, but Jones had the nut flush. Andrew was still the aggressor when he bet 48.4k, and Jones called for a third time to collect the 234,100 pot.

      1st  £78,660
      2nd £49,690
      3rd  £35,880
      4th  £28,290
      5th  £20,700
      6th  £15,180
      7th  £10,350
      8th  £8,280
      9th  £6,210
    10th  £4,140
    11th  £4,140
    12th  £4,140
    13th  £3,450
    14th  £3,450
    15th  £3,450


I can't see who is left in or chipcounts anywhere I am afraid

Paul jacksons Facebook said that he was knocked out in 12th place last night with Ben still looking strong

The English Poker Open Final Table is Set!
616,500 Roberts, Jamie
453,000 Lategano, Nicola
422,000 Petersen, Micky
371,500 Jackson, Ben
363,000 Ladefoged, Niels
333,000 Sunar, Surinder
321,000 Laumier, Thomas
317,500 Bjorin, Chris
242,000 Kurganov, Igor

gogogo Ben J

Chris Bjorin so much <3. But like the kids say his Herbiemob does not say how much he is actually losing :)

Surely Sir Clive Sinclair?

Such a hero, must be tough living his life in the shadow of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/7696528/Sir-Clive-Sinclair-interview-The-beauty-and-the-boffin.html

At 69, Sir Clive Sinclair has found the formula for happiness. He talks to Celia Walden about love, life and his recent marriage to a former lap dancer .

(http://www.sinclair.hu/tortenelem/orokoptimista/angie_bowness_4.jpg)

A former girlfriend nicknamed him Clive Five :)

26 Aug 3:31 am smiley face post no :p

wp.

There was a folow up thread too.  http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/james-bord-wsope-me-2010-winner-regulary-staked-players-multi-account-1243863/

Having read that, I am not at all suprised that some of their players needed help with difficult decisions.

It's not sir Clive, doobs. It's a bon jovi wannabe lookalike. Think he's a reg at the vic.

haha, was thinking I am so crap at spotting celebs, I just assumed I hadn't recognised him.

Picture was good though?

@themouthmatusow Thanks for going out ur way to get me negative attention.Nice Guy

Sam needs to count to ten before posting tweets
 

btw PZ is doing the commentary for EPO  final table

huge joke. embarrassing

What's everyone's opinion on Romano pizzo? I've played him and pretty quickly stereotyped him as a crazy Italian donk by the has good live results and often builds big stacks.

Not sure if this played out last night? Or is the HU today?

Mickey Petersen and Chris Bjorin go Heads Up!

(http://www.englishpokeropen.com/assets/images/Chris%20and%20Mickey.PNG)

The English Poker Open 2012 Final Table is now down to 2 players - only PokerStars online pro Mickey Petersen and Swedish pro Chris Bjorin remain to fight it out for the first place prize of £78,660.

Surinder was 3rd

Mickey Petersen won!

Meanwhile at the GUKPT 1B only got 92 runners, after 123 on 1a

315 entries including re-entries over the two days

Neal Ruparella (Luton laggy chap?) had 7x average with two levels to go and didn't make day 2

1b chip counts

Zack Chesses - 206,750

Gary Page - 177,750

Steve Watts - 129,325

George Achillea - 128,825

Ramsey Ajram - 105,375

David LaRonde - 102,800

Huseyin Houssein - 101,100

Romano Pizzo - 94,300

Thor Hjertenes - 88,500

Will Kassouf - 87,500

Yan Hao - 86,325

Jason Powell - 85,375

Alan Hunter - 83,600

Patrick Uzan - 83,100

Matthew Davenport - 80,850

Alex Killman - 80,825

Stefan Whitmoss - 80,400

Ben Vinson - 76,850

James Parker - 70,300

Simon Deadman - 69,900

Martin Holmes - 69,525

Antonyous Meikhail - 67,775

Joe Laming - 67,100

Nicolas Irving - 67,000

Charles Clark - 65,000

Eli Biessek-Piechota - 57,875

Miriam Segal - 56,775

Shaun Conning - 55,850

Nik Persaud - 53,700

Renee Xie - 53,450

Sam Newman - 50,075

Mark Mattocks - 49,425

Mike Hill - 49,325

John Gale - 49,300

Daniel Rudd - 48,275

Philip Butt - 45,050

Stuart Fox - 43,850

Ian Woodley - 43,250

Eamonn Blake - 39,150

Jeffrey Szlanyinka - 36,125

Alireza Zamanpour - 35,475

Terry Mitford - 35,425

Lee Taylor - 35,350

Allan McLean - 35,125

Jonathan Martin - 34,575

Mohammed Latif - 34,550

Jenyue Chiang - 33,900

Samier Patel - 32,625

Vach Nankoosing - 32,425

Tim Chung - 31,575

Tom Stone - 31,375

Gordon Happer - 31,150

Joe Grech - 29,250

Jerome Bradpiece - 28,400

Robert Slack - 27,750

Ian Simpson - 26,700

Steven Gray - 25,150

Tamer Kamel - 25,150

Andrew Warnes - 25,000

Dean Swift - 23,000

Jerome Oshea - 20,775

Anthony Harris - 20,575

Marc Hunter - 20,375

Carlo Citrone - 19,925

Jonathan Beck - 19,100

Dominic Muhall - 17,800

Nowakowski - 16,025

Andrew Miles - 15,300

Warren Wooldridge - 15,100

Ashraf Fahim - 14.100

Erkhan Ismail - 14,050

Nicholas Katz - 13,900

Wai Kwan Yuen - 11,800

Craig Sweden - 11,450

Andreas Georgiou - 8,375

Nathan Lee - 6,950

sigh. Kids a genius but mans a legend

thank you, the site didn't tell me who won, or give a run down of the final table finishing positions

Was 192 entries on Day 1B....

Go Claypole!

FYP :P

GUKPT London Main Event

22 left

£84,000 up top

Chip Counts

Daniel Rudd - 567,200

David La Ronde - 502,400

Simon Deadman - 492,300

Elliot Panyi - 476,700

Andrew Seden - 405,000

Gary Page - 361,700

Huseyin Houssein - 316,800

Stefan Whitmoss - 305,500

Iaran Lightbourne - 294,300

Robin Keston - 294,000

Rasmey Ajram - 286,300

Matthew Davenport - 281,200

Nathan Lee - 272,300

Jeffrey Szlanyinka - 236,100

John Gale - 198,600

Clive Sinclair - 174,400

Nik Persaud - 171,200

Steve Watts - 170,000

Tron McEntee - 166,100

Sami Yusuf - 161,800

Jason Powell - 98,200

Thor Hjertenes - 86,300

Deadman 7/9 on final

Gl Danny Rudd.

7 left.

3 left, Dan is the shortstack I think. Nathan Lee and robin keston the others.

Dan heads up with robin.

glglglgl

Simon???

Simon cashed £10k afaik.
<3 Dan Rudd
H8 cod heads

Keston Bests the Rest: Robin Keston Overcomes Field of 315 to Capture GUKPT London Title


Robin Keston has won GUKPT Leg 10 at the Grosvenor Victoria Casino in London, topping the largest £1,000 Main Event field so far this year and winning £84,310 after a marathon heads up battle with Daniel Rudd.


The Vic has long been established as poker home to many of the UK’s top players and host to some of its biggest tournaments, and Leg 10 of the GUKPT featured the most popular and fiercely competitive £1,000 Main Event on the 2012 tour so far.  Among the entrants in the Main Event were Victoria Coren, Julian Thew, Barny Boatman and Dave ‘Devilfish’ Ulliott, although they did not number among the 31 players paid from the £315,000 total prizepool.


Professional player Keston, while having amassed over $1.2 million in tournament winnings, does not count No Limit Hold’em tournaments as his games of choice.  “I don’t play hold’em!  I hate it with a passion so I don’t travel in Europe to play it anymore.”  This didn’t stop him reaching the final table of, for example, the £10,000 World Series of Poker Europe in 2008, or racking up cashes around the globe since 1995 in a variety of poker variants.


Keston’s rare return from the cash and mixed games saw him re-enter the Main Event with just five minutes to spare, after popping out for a haircut after his first bust-out (all GUKPT Main Events feature a single re-entry allowed during the first 6 levels).  Although he failed to top the chip counts after Days 1 and 2, a riveting final table saw him dealt Aces in three key hands which overturned Matthew Davenport’s lead and gave him the stack of the opponent on the final table who he noted had been giving him the most trouble – Ramsey Ajram (4th for £22,050).


Davenport was runner up last month in the Main Event at GUKPT Coventry, and right up until mid-final table had been looking to outdo his performance.  Neither he, nor runner-up Rudd could stop Keston once he’d built his stack, however, although it took three hours of heads up play to decide a winner.


The blinds on the final table reached the 50,000/100,000 level, a feat only matched once so far this year.  “It was slipping away from me,” said Keston, “I had to give myself a talking to in the break, came back to ramp it up.  With a big lead like that it’s yours to lose!”