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Title: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: david3103 on September 19, 2012, 09:35:55 AM I ventured to the £1/£2 game at Gala Stockton last night.
My first inkling that things had changed was an all-in situation where both players turned over their hands. I queried this and was told 'it's a new local rule' both hands have to be tabled'. A little later I called a river bet, announced flush and turned my cards face up expecting my opponent to just muck. But he was compelled to show his hand by the dealer, because 'it's a local rule, in HU pots both hands must be shown' it seems that two or three of the older players (by which I mean older than me both physically and attitudinally) have decided that they are being colluded against and have persuaded the management to impose this rule which seems to be unique to this location. Seems totally wrong to me, and will limit my play there even more. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: KarmaDope on September 19, 2012, 09:50:49 AM Gala are known for doing this Dave. I've been to a few where all hands have to be tabled - especially in cash!
Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: david3103 on September 19, 2012, 09:56:07 AM Gala are known for doing this Dave. I've been to a few where all hands have to be tabled - especially in cash! hmmm - which ones? The general consensus from the 'more active/younger players' was that "no other casino in the world does this" and although I doubted that, I did think it likely to be exceedingly raare. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: BulldozerD on September 19, 2012, 09:57:20 AM They used to do it at Gala Leeds and the line was that it was to prevent collusion - not sure whether this rule is still in place though
Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: Doobs on September 19, 2012, 10:07:33 AM What a good idea. Saves us all from the "i have a pair, big pause, jacks, what kicker routine", and the old wait until opponent shows cards when called angle. Flip them over, next hand, speeds the game up, excellent.
Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: Cf on September 19, 2012, 10:10:23 AM Bollocks rule.
I'm starting to get annoyed when I have to show having called a bet and my opponent mucks. Don't see why I should. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: JustinSayne on September 19, 2012, 10:24:04 AM What a good idea. Saves us all from the "i have a pair, big pause, jacks, what kicker routine", and the old wait until opponent shows cards when called angle. Flip them over, next hand, speeds the game up, excellent. I see this as the underlying reason and I fully support it. Nothing tilts me more than the 5 minute showdowns of the players both looking at eachother waiting to flip their hands over. I don't care if my opponents sees my cards. 90% of live players are absolutely dreadful so even if they knew exactly how I played, they still would not know what to do to adjust against it. Even if they did, I am confident I can adjust better than them. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: smashedagain on September 19, 2012, 10:26:27 AM What a good idea. Saves us all from the "i have a pair, big pause, jacks, what kicker routine", and the old wait until opponent shows cards when called angle. Flip them over, next hand, speeds the game up, excellent. I see this as the underlying reason and I fully support it. Nothing tilts me more than the 5 minute showdowns of the players both looking at eachother waiting to flip their hands over. I don't care if my opponents sees my cards. 90% of live players are absolutely dreadful so even if they knew exactly how I played, they still would not know what to do to adjust against it. Even if they did, I am confident I can adjust better than them. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: paulhouk03 on September 19, 2012, 01:15:50 PM in 235 they do this also but only in tourneys.
in cash it seems abit silly Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: JustinSayne on September 19, 2012, 01:37:21 PM I don't have a photo :( got some flags though oioiiiiiiii
incoming thin brags http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=203379 Living in Gibraltar all the Spanish fish seem to think its completely standard to slow roll too. So im gradually building a tolerance :P Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: KarmaDope on September 19, 2012, 01:59:01 PM Gala are known for doing this Dave. I've been to a few where all hands have to be tabled - especially in cash! hmmm - which ones? The general consensus from the 'more active/younger players' was that "no other casino in the world does this" and although I doubted that, I did think it likely to be exceedingly raare. From experience - Gala Northampton, Gala Bristol, Gala Liverpool... Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: david3103 on September 19, 2012, 02:15:35 PM Gala are known for doing this Dave. I've been to a few where all hands have to be tabled - especially in cash! hmmm - which ones? The general consensus from the 'more active/younger players' was that "no other casino in the world does this" and although I doubted that, I did think it likely to be exceedingly raare. From experience - Gala Northampton, Gala Bristol, Gala Liverpool... Gala Northampton? That must have been a while ago, and it didn't apply during the summer of 2010 when I played there two or three nights a week. edit - that sounds confrontational and isn't at all intended to. I'm very non-confrontational by nature. I can see that the rule is applied elsewhere and that it has benefits in reducing the slow reveal, but still find it all a bit of an angle-shoot from players who are starting to think they may just have been bluffed too often and want free info by forcing a reveal of a losing hand where the loser may have taken an aggressive line throughout. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: JK on September 19, 2012, 02:27:48 PM It is pretty ridiculous, but I know of this being enforced in a few casinos. Its as you said, people have reasonable grounds to suspect collusion, management get involved, feel there isn't enough grounds for conviction but feel it needs to be sorted.
Anyone have another solution, keeping in mind they can't just straight up bar people without solid evidence? (Not a dig btw, genuinely interested to what people think could be done) Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: SuuPRlim on September 19, 2012, 03:12:17 PM Living in Gibraltar all the Spanish fish seem to think its completely standard to slow roll too. So im gradually building a tolerance :P If you play in poker games where slow-rolling isn't common enough practice then you're not playing in very good poker games. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: david3103 on September 19, 2012, 03:15:30 PM It is pretty ridiculous, but I know of this being enforced in a few casinos. Its as you said, people have reasonable grounds to suspect collusion, management get involved, feel there isn't enough grounds for conviction but feel it needs to be sorted. Anyone have another solution, keeping in mind they can't just straight up bar people without solid evidence? (Not a dig btw, genuinely interested to what people think could be done) DTD used to have a rule on this on the website but I can't see it today. Effectively it said that players had NO entitlement to see a hand that had been declared as 'losing' at showdown irrespective of who made last aggressive action, BUT that if collusion was suspected then the cards could be seen by Cardroom staff/supervisor. (this from memory) As ever, the influential voices will prevail and have done locally it seems. The main mover is a very longterm casino member, his 'seconder' is also longterm, and noisy. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: tight4better on September 19, 2012, 06:41:15 PM Happens in leicester too, BEYOND tilting.
Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: jakally on September 19, 2012, 06:48:27 PM I quite like it as a rule, and certainly wouldn't have any objections if it was enforced in games I was playing in.
It's the norm online, so I can't really see the problem with it. Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: SuuPRlim on September 19, 2012, 07:45:47 PM Yh its not a dreadful rule. i thinks its actually within tbe law. of the game, i.e after 4th better round hands are tabled and best hand awarded the pot, just so happens in live poker most of the time one of the players is convinced he has tbe winner and in line with social ettiquette turns his cards over
really dont see whats so outrageous about a rule where all cards have to be exposed in showdown Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: rfgqqabc on September 20, 2012, 12:29:16 AM The best bit is one of the people who brought in the rule is easily the biggest angleshooter in the area. Pretty sure I'm one of the accused colluders, which is lol cos i haven't played there in 4 months anyway. Its a joke.
Title: Re: Both hands MUST be exposed at showdown ruling Post by: jgcblack on September 20, 2012, 08:07:44 AM The best bit is one of the people who brought in the rule is easily the biggest angleshooter in the area. Pretty sure I'm one of the accused colluders, which is lol cos i haven't played there in 4 months anyway. Its a joke. Thissss... Now I've played in a BENT £3/6 game with colluding and even when i proved it the card room manager shrugged it off and washed the deck. Its a crap rule that defeats the point of an incomplete information game, esp in cash. Aspers Newcastle Birmingham gala And a few others... Sigh Gl dtd enforcing this. |