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Title: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: david3103 on September 20, 2012, 11:17:42 AM
Reposted from elsewhere - would APAT contributors who know the outcome please avoid spoilers (you know who you are :) )

Posted now because it's similar to MC's hand.

Will take this in two stages. This is stage one.



£100 FO
49 entries
22,000 starting stack
Level 5 150/300/25

Villain 1 utg - 50,000
Villain 2 cutoff - 20,000
Hero SB - 24,000

History - Villain 1 is a local regular who both Villain 2 and I see as a target. He's hit a lot so far today including a flopped straight when he raised 64 from utg and called a 3 bet from Villain 2...
Villain 2 is likely to be calling light.
I've been very active thus far and my image may be more aggressive than it could be. I've actually had a lot of premiums. QQx2, KKx2, AA and a lot of AK/AQ so my 3bet stats are pretty high. I haven't tangled much with Villain 2, other than having 3bet KK from the blinds and made a delayed c bet  on an AKx9 board. He folded, accusing me of having a set of nines...

utg raise to 700
folds to cutoff who calls
I 3 bet to 2425 with Ah  A s (views on raise size?)
Villain 1 thinks for a while, then calls.
Villain 2 calls pretty quickly

Flop 8s Js 8c

I lead for 3300 (views here too - is open shoving an option?)
Villain 1 makes it 7000
Villain 2 calls

Back to me...
Call/Raise/Fold? if we call, what's the plan on the turn?


Title: Re: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: zerofive on September 20, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
If v1 is raise-calling as light as 64, then bigger pre. Probably bigger anyway, but much bigger here. Somewhere between the 2900-3400 probably.

As played I like flop sizing because now we can jam pretty happily when v2 folds.


Title: Re: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: david3103 on September 20, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
If v1 is raise-calling as light as 64, then bigger pre. Probably bigger anyway, but much bigger here. Somewhere between the 2900-3400 probably.

As played I like flop sizing because now we can jam pretty happily when v2 folds.

But V2 didn't...


Title: Re: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: Rod on September 20, 2012, 11:53:27 AM
If v1 is raise-calling as light as 64, then bigger pre. Probably bigger anyway, but much bigger here. Somewhere between the 2900-3400 probably.

As played I like flop sizing because now we can jam pretty happily when v2 folds.

But V2 didn't...
Yeah, this is what confused me about the hand, I honestly have no idea what you should do. Really interested to see the responses on here.


Title: Re: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: zerofive on September 20, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
oh lol. That's what happens when I wake up on PHA.

In that case I actually don't know. I like what I said about bigger pre though ;)

If v2 knows about v1 and knows that you know about v1 and knows that you know he knows about v1 then its probably a fold.


Title: Re: AA facing decision on flop
Post by: JustinSayne on September 20, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
Sigh jam