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we have just moved to 4 handed and this is first time on final table anyone has limped into a pot so i sensed strength
even after the flop and hitting 2 pair i was unsure of where i was
would a check fold on flop be too weak and is it an easy fold on turn
or should i be more aggressive in this hand?

PokerStars Hand #86521483058: Tournament #617614837, $6.42+$0.58 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2012/09/21 21:06:38 WET [2012/09/21 16:06:38 ET]
Table '617614837 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ironside (24448 in chips)
Seat 5: Elwood_Irish (12619 in chips)
Seat 6: munm (12447 in chips)
Seat 9: imamackem (17986 in chips)
Ironside: posts the ante 75
Elwood_Irish: posts the ante 75
munm: posts the ante 75
imamackem: posts the ante 75
imamackem: posts small blind 800
Ironside: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Qc Ts]
Elwood_Irish: folds
munm: folds
imamackem: calls 800
Ironside: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Tc Qd]
imamackem: bets 1600
Ironside: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [Ah Tc Qd] [4s]
imamackem: bets 3200

keep calling

Jam pre

allows him to play pretty much perfect tho??

He has 10bbs and limping in pretty sure perfect probably in question here :)

fair comment but he doesn't call worse and calls everything better?

You not think limping pre is pretty strong here as its do far off normal?

I'm jamming pre and happy about it. If he's limping bvb we don't have to worry about him playing perfectly. As played flat turn call most rivers

i would of been happier calling a shove pre in the hand just hated his limp and hand turned cold imho

PokerStars Hand #86521483058: Tournament #617614837, $6.42+$0.58 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2012/09/21 21:06:38 WET [2012/09/21 16:06:38 ET]
Table '617614837 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ironside (24448 in chips)
Seat 5: Elwood_Irish (12619 in chips)
Seat 6: munm (12447 in chips)
Seat 9: imamackem (17986 in chips)
Ironside: posts the ante 75
Elwood_Irish: posts the ante 75
munm: posts the ante 75
imamackem: posts the ante 75
imamackem: posts small blind 800
Ironside: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Qc Ts]
Elwood_Irish: folds
munm: folds
imamackem: calls 800
Ironside: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Tc Qd]
imamackem: bets 1600
Ironside: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [Ah Tc Qd] [4s]
imamackem: bets 3200
Ironside: calls 3200
*** RIVER *** [Ah Tc Qd 4s] [7c]
imamackem: bets 6400
Ironside: calls 6400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
imamackem: shows [As Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
Ironside: shows [Qc Ts] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
imamackem collected 25900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 25900 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Tc Qd 4s 7c]
Seat 1: Ironside (big blind) showed [Qc Ts] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 5: Elwood_Irish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: munm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: imamackem (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won (25900) with three of a kind, Aces

Happily jamming pre. and a lot worse.

Not really sure how anyone can say it's a jam pre without having any knowledge about villain.

It's not definitely a jam pre. Depends on a few things such as: does he have a clue, does he think you have a clue, does he think you think he has a clue.

Most of the time I would be jamming as most of the time when someone limps bvb 10bbs they're indeed pretty clueless, but not always.

In general when they do this they're polarised and either have the very top of there range and then all the rest of there range is hands they want to see a flop with and are going to limp/fold so versus these people it's profitable to jam as they're going to limp/fold a lot more often than they have it so just sigh and get there when they do.

This

this guy had been jamming wide from LP with a wide range J7 and Kx had been shown and a few other hands making me think he wasnt messing about  he knew that jamming was the way to take pots down

as i said no one had limped in at all from any where on final table this was the first time anyone had completed a sb and why it stunk to high heaven

i would of been happier calling an all in than i would of been jamming here pre

when i hit the flop in just seemed i had hit too much to fold but i nearly folded on flop on turn and river

Villain is a decent reg and this is 100% aa/kk but with no knowledge its usually a jam for me.

If over a decent sample this is literally the 1st open limp then it's clearly good to show some caution and see a free flop in position here. As the run out has come i think you have to call flop/turn and can consider folding river he fires again.

if its a really out of context limp, and he had never been seen to be doing it, i would be wary about jamming hand like this especially with the info that he is jamming j7/kx etc as it really reduces the range of hands he can be limping with that we can get to fold... if he isnt limping trash, marginal hands or weaker strong hands.... it doesnt make it a thrilling prospect to shove here when he l;imps off 10bb....

i like the way we played this given history, although it is definitely a jam vs some villains

i am jamming pre on so many occasions in fields where limping is common infact if he had jammed i would of been thinking of calling
the limp was out of context for the whole of final table