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Me and thebat are currently both shortstacked on the 5.15pm. Meanwhile on the other table, all stacks are deliberately playing slow and waiting for the last minute before making a bet to get their 'mate' into the 10k.

Their chatbox:

Dealer: Welcome!
Dealer: #1418719934, Spurs79 wins 8250 chips with High Card King.
saggitar: not the last one
Samray: 1 2 g0
saggitar: 1 to go
Jambo7: we can all just play slow
Spurs79: lets all time out and keep jambo in
Jambo7: please
Samray: lol
Fatste: im happy to do it
Samray: and me
saggitar: no prob
Fatste: people have dont it for me in the past
Samray: lol
Jambo7: cheers guys
Jambo7: do you think they are doing same?
Samray: go jambo go jambo
Jambo7: lol
Dealer: #1418719944, Spurs79 wins 9450 chips with A Pair of Nines, Seven high.

have you reported it? ill be interested to hear what happens if you have. this type of thing is terrible and i hope one of them wins and loses prize

 ;iagree;

I think they shoud be booted out for that, Its well out of order.

I've phoned up William Hill, and they say their poker team will be aware of it, but until I see action. Unfortunately thebat has bubbled but it's an UTTER disgrace, Jambo7 should be banned frankly, and anyone who joined in playing with him.

They are pretty dumb to discuss it openly. Hope they all meet a sticky end

Have come accross this before, but hadn't thought of reporting it. Probably just a  ;fish; that doesn't think he is doing any harm. Hopefully they will deal with it.

it happens all the time, they are not interested or they would do something to resolve this.

Should bang there accounts

not wanting to sound like a sore loser but they were even declaring theair hands openly to each other " ive got two pairs 9 and 4's" ....u just shouldnt be allowed to do that  :redcard:  let us know what billy hills have to say homer. thanx

I'm really angry for you dude. I've sent off a email to Will Hill with me almost frothing at the mouth. To watch a guy say, "Nobody call, I've got a big hand, two pair," is incredibly insulting. The short stacks on our table were given no respite whatsoever, and I wouldn't expect anything less. I think you should email Will Hill, or whichever Crypto site you were on, to complain as well, it would add more weight.

i blame the website it should have hand for hand in any bubble situation.

I've e-mailed WilliamHill .what good will come of it I dont know? the whole episode leaves a sour taste!

If the site do nothing I think you should vote with your feet. (Is it definitely WH players or was it a Crypto wide trny?)

This had really pi$$ed me off it must happen all the time.

So ive e-mailed the thread to the Poker manager at william hill telling him to sort it out and also that it is read by over 2000 people!!!

I'm going to email Wagerlogic too, in case they aren't WH players, but BF, Littlewoods or Totalbet.

as far as running down the clock is concerned, you havent got a leg to stand on, I have done it, and im sure most of us have... You are given a time allocation to act in, and whether you or anyone else on the table uses it every hand is up to them ....

You need to concentrate your complaints on the fact that people were declaring hands... no site will act on missuse of the time rule.

 ;iagree; Kev is talking sense here.



It seems every time I try to use this smiley ;iagree; my post goes at the top of page 2 instead of underneath the post I was referring to so I have to go back and put in a quote for it to make sense GGRRRRRRRRRRR

Unfortunatly this does happen on a REGULAR  basis. they do not necessarily know each other but feel comradship to get the lowest stacked on their table,  through  to the final table,  then each to thier own. I agree with Kev , I really don't think any site can do Jack C  about it. If you watch some of these tournies you will soon discover how common it is.

If people run the clock down and nothing is said, they can't really do anything.

But when people are saying in chat 'hey let's team up to get xx to the final table' or 'don't call me - I have a big hand', it's difficult to imagine a more blatant (and dafter) case of collusion.

As someone else said, the tourney should be hand for hand by then to stop cheats. Incidents like this make a good case for playing on sites with better software.....

i agree that everyone is entitled to use their full time allocation but they shouldnt be asking others to do the same for their benefit and DEFINATLEY not declaring their hand mid game so that no one bets and they can all check it down (and taking 2 minutes to boot) while none of the other table are stooping so low. The site involved was williamhill and this practise (of time wasting could be solved with a hand -for-hand procedure around the bubble) but people should not be telling others their hands during play and encouraging others to do likewise for their own benefit. It needs sorting.

They should do what Pokerstars do and that when it gets down to the money situation, barr all chat from all the tables so that collusion doesn't happen and then play continues as normal

Try suggesting that to them.  Suggest to them also that their Underraise rule needs sorting out aswell!!!   

I only commented on the playing the clock aspect of this. I can not say that I have seen both the clock & the declaring of hands , so i can not say that declaring  hands is common practice guring latter stages of a tourny. I feel  sure that the site in question can and put a stop to such antics by A. Like said previously , inrroducing the hand 4 hand rule and B, monitoring chat and if needs be , informing the table in question that they are being monitored.

This is a disgrace please keep us informed.

Post the hand history on the Betfair forum... Name and shamed these losers.

Please post any response you get from the powers that be

concentrate any complaints on the declaring of hands and the offers to slow play deliberately in chat


if there was nothing in the chat box you would have no grounds but the chat box here is damning evidence

The rules are the same for everyone so I guess that stakes don't matter and I sypathise with your frustrations - you have every right to complain. However, tbh I would guess that the players involved are unaware that they shouldn't be doing it and that it is against the rules. We have to remember that they have only paid 3 quid to enter and I am sure if they genuinely set out to cheat that they might have played significantly higher stakes.

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The players you have reported are now under investigation by our Poker manager, and the appropriate action will be taken should they be found to be colluding. William Hill have various methods of monitoring play at tables, from software to live person. The poker room is monitored and supported on a 24/7 basis. In the event that we are alerted of a player practicing unfair game play at the tables, their account will be suspended pending clarification of their game activity. In the interest of fair game play, should the card room manager believe that players are playing in collusion, the players in question will have their accounts suspended immediately and permanently.

However, as the Cryptologic software we use is a shared software, not all players using it are William Hill clients. Details of all the players supected of colluding, be they clients of ours or not, have, though, been passed on to Cryptologic for investigation.

With regards

Dominic

William Hill
Internet Customer Services

Sounds promising

I am pleased that you have recieved a reply Homer but I have not recieved any acknowledgement....as yet. Obviously you know people higher up the williamhill ladder! Lets hope they have a good look at the chat box on the table involved.

Just recieved this...


 Discussion Thread
 Response (Georgios) 18/01/2006 06:32 AM
Hi Steven,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The players you have reported are now under investigation by our Poker manager, and the appropriate action will be taken should they be found to be colluding. William Hill have various methods of monitoring play at tables, from software to live person. The poker room is monitored and supported on a 24/7 basis. In the event that we are alerted of a player practicing unfair game play at the tables, their account will be suspended pending clarification of their game activity. In the interest of fair game play, should the card room manager believe that players are playing in collusion, the players in question will have their accounts suspended immediately and permanently.

However as you are aware the software is shared by other online companies. Full details of all players involved be they William Hill clients or not have now been passed to Cryptologig who will investigate the matter fully.

With regards,

Yorgos

William Hill
Internet Customer Services

Much the same as homers' but at least its a start.
 

I thought this had been sorted?

I openly admit to timing myself out in order to get the best possible chance of getting into the final table where seats are given instead of cash prizes. Its my time and I can use it however I want.

The difference in this case is the open discussion and agreement to do this, which is known as collusion, with the ultimate goal of getting said short stack onto the final. AND on top of that, the open discussion of hands so as not to damage each others stacks is even more dispicable.

thats what you should be concentrating on in your complaints.

And hand for hand when down to the last man before a level increase or before final table to boot.

Virgin go hand for hand with bubble situations. And when they pay ten prizes at the same price, before the structure goes up a level, there is another hand for hand.

The only time I've ever seen hand for hand play on Crypto was when the 40k was down to 21 players last week.

played the 500k sat last night and hand for hand was played near the bubble

If the least the complaint does is to bring in hand for hand regularly for sattelites and such, I think that'll be a great improvement. I see you're already in the $500k Dewi! Good luck to you.

Cheers M8, took a few goes, I'm sure they have these hand for hand in all tourneys now, I will find out tonight for sure