Title: Raising In the Dark Post by: warthog on January 16, 2006, 10:16:58 PM Given the fact that you have enough chips to do so, do you think that there are any advantages to raising 'in the dark' before the flop in a tourney, bearing in mind that you're playing a pot in which you're heads-up?
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Graham C on January 16, 2006, 10:24:54 PM 'in the dark' = without lookiing?
Why would you even want too? Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: warthog on January 16, 2006, 10:26:51 PM Yeah, without looking. I have seen it been done a few times and have never understood the logic, was hoping someone could enlighten me..
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Graham C on January 16, 2006, 10:30:55 PM cant see why you'd even want to tbh, its of no benefit unless you want to look really chatty when you win ala El Blondie :D
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2006, 10:35:00 PM There are two main reasons why people do this (I think)
1) To loosen up a tight table (more commonly used in cash games). Player will be more likely to call/raise you, which warms up their 'moving chips forward' arm. 2) To cultivate an aura of unpredictability/arrogance. Again, you're hoping to reap rewards later when your opponents will, maybe only subconciously, think of you as a bluffer/loose cannon. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Bongo on January 16, 2006, 10:36:20 PM There are times when I'd think of raising no matter what cards I held, but i'd always look for 2 reasons:
1) I might have a monster and want to slow play. 2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Gamblor21 on January 16, 2006, 10:39:53 PM early on in reuy comps this is good... big pots are made! i normally double the blind from utg!
Peter Costa does thisin the upcoming willhill gp, and he also said he did it in the wpt championships... Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: ifm on January 16, 2006, 11:20:55 PM Do you mean anouncing you are raising blind or just doing it sneakily?
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 16, 2006, 11:26:53 PM A good example of this was on my table at the blonde bash
M3boy v Simon Nowab being new to poker i thought what the hell is going on here, but fun to watch, good lighted humour. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Gamblor21 on January 16, 2006, 11:28:46 PM No you make sure the table knows!
just don't let them know when you start to play properly again... it makes big pots and creates a gamblin table image for you! and its a bit of fun! Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: ifm on January 16, 2006, 11:32:11 PM Nah i don't do that but i do raise in position without looking :D
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: thetank on January 17, 2006, 12:22:35 AM 2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play. Darn good point by Bongo. There are times when you should raise with any two in a tournament. When I'm in this spot though, I'll always go through the charade of looking at my cards so the opponents aren't encouraged to call. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: Royal Flush on January 17, 2006, 12:47:46 AM 2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play. Darn good point by Bongo. There are times when you should raise with any two in a tournament. When I'm in this spot though, I'll always go through the charade of looking at my cards so the opponents aren't encouraged to call. I look at them and then reach straight for my chips, clear sign of strength :D Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: thetank on January 17, 2006, 01:10:03 AM I look at them and then reach straight for my chips, clear sign of strength :D ;chieften; makes another mental note. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: jezza777 on January 17, 2006, 02:08:44 AM if I am in the sb and its folded to me and have a 10-1 or more lead against the bb I automaticallly put him allin without looking. I also generally flat call from the sb without looking with 6-1 or above. Also if I am very short stacked. at the £100 tourney at the Broardway I lost a big pot on the river and was sb next leaving me only 400 over the bb so I went all in blind not much choice really.
Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: The Baron on January 17, 2006, 02:49:01 AM I use this in cash games when UTG. It's called a live straddle. It loosens the table up massively if the right cards are dealt.
In tourneys I doubt I'd use it although I do see an advantage with checking the flop in the dark. Title: Re: Raising In the Dark Post by: M3boy on January 17, 2006, 09:42:02 AM Just ask Simon Nowab about the perils of raising in the dark in a tourney :D
Blonde Bash, he was raising my BB in the Dark - ran into KK ooops :) (I must add, top bloke and always a pleasure to play on the same table as him) |