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Title: Raising In the Dark
Post by: warthog on January 16, 2006, 10:16:58 PM
Given the fact that you have enough chips to do so, do you think that there are any advantages to raising 'in the dark' before the flop in a tourney, bearing in mind that you're playing a pot in which you're heads-up?


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Graham C on January 16, 2006, 10:24:54 PM
'in the dark' = without lookiing?

Why would you even want too?


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: warthog on January 16, 2006, 10:26:51 PM
Yeah, without looking. I have seen it been done a few times and have never understood the logic, was hoping someone could enlighten me..


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Graham C on January 16, 2006, 10:30:55 PM
cant see why you'd even want to tbh, its of no benefit unless you want to look really chatty when you win  ala El Blondie :D


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: AndrewT on January 16, 2006, 10:35:00 PM
There are two main reasons why people do this (I think)

1) To loosen up a tight table (more commonly used in cash games). Player will be more likely to call/raise you, which warms up their 'moving chips forward' arm.

2) To cultivate an aura of unpredictability/arrogance. Again, you're hoping to reap rewards later when your opponents will, maybe only subconciously, think of you as a bluffer/loose cannon.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Bongo on January 16, 2006, 10:36:20 PM
There are times when I'd think of raising no matter what cards I held, but i'd always look for 2 reasons:

1) I might have a monster and want to slow play.

2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Gamblor21 on January 16, 2006, 10:39:53 PM
early on in reuy comps this is good... big pots are made! i normally double the blind from utg!

Peter Costa does thisin the upcoming willhill gp, and he also said he did it in the wpt championships...


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: ifm on January 16, 2006, 11:20:55 PM
Do you mean anouncing you are raising blind or just doing it sneakily?


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 16, 2006, 11:26:53 PM
A good example of this was on my table at the blonde bash

M3boy v Simon Nowab being new to poker i thought what the hell is going on here, but fun to watch, good lighted humour.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Gamblor21 on January 16, 2006, 11:28:46 PM
No you make sure the table knows!

just don't let them know when you start to play properly again... it makes big pots and creates a gamblin table image for you! and its a bit of fun!


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: ifm on January 16, 2006, 11:32:11 PM
Nah i don't do that but i do raise in position without looking :D


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: thetank on January 17, 2006, 12:22:35 AM

2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play.


Darn good point by Bongo.
There are times when you should raise with any two in a tournament. When I'm in this spot though, I'll always go through the charade of looking at my cards so the opponents aren't encouraged to call.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: Royal Flush on January 17, 2006, 12:47:46 AM

2) If the opponent knows I haven't looked at my cards yet they have a pretty easy mathematical decision whether or not to play.


Darn good point by Bongo.
There are times when you should raise with any two in a tournament. When I'm in this spot though, I'll always go through the charade of looking at my cards so the opponents aren't encouraged to call.

I look at them and then reach straight for my chips, clear sign of strength :D


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: thetank on January 17, 2006, 01:10:03 AM

I look at them and then reach straight for my chips, clear sign of strength :D


;chieften; makes another mental note.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: jezza777 on January 17, 2006, 02:08:44 AM
if I am in the sb and its folded to me and have a 10-1 or more lead against the bb I automaticallly put him allin without looking. I also generally flat call from the sb without looking with 6-1 or above. Also if I am very short stacked. at the £100 tourney at the Broardway I lost  a big pot on the river and was sb next leaving me only 400 over the bb so I went all in blind not much choice really.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: The Baron on January 17, 2006, 02:49:01 AM
I use this in cash games when UTG. It's called a live straddle. It loosens the table up massively if the right cards are dealt.

In tourneys I doubt I'd use it although I do see an advantage with checking the flop in the dark.


Title: Re: Raising In the Dark
Post by: M3boy on January 17, 2006, 09:42:02 AM
Just ask Simon Nowab about the perils of raising in the dark in a tourney  :D

Blonde Bash, he was raising my BB in the Dark - ran into KK ooops :)

(I must add, top bloke and always a pleasure to play on the same table as him)