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I found this spot indredibly tough - I was in a world of pain - wasn't sure about posting as thought maybe standard and I was being a girl, however have talked through with Trigg (and Vinny who was on skype lol - so I called Trigg) and wouldn't mind some views on it;

Villain is clearly a recreational low stakes, winning player who "sats" into these - doesn't play high stakes - has show a tendancy to like peel to 3bets, three instances I recall, 2 he passed flop, one he flaoted and took pot down on turn, no showdon over about 50 hands (no HUD - old school)

We are on pure bubble, both comfortable with ave stack at 30k - which certainly impacted my thinking on his level of thinking; although probably incorrectly

Checking behind on the turn
The river jam decision

PokerStars Hand #87357591483: Tournament #651010441, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No
Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2012/10/08 21:17:11 WET [2012/10/08 16:17:11
ET]
Table '651010441 10' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: WanttobeGus (39804 in chips)
Seat 2: MilesLogaNL (27755 in chips)
Seat 3: Ljeljka (11913 in chips)
Seat 4: claypole (52309 in chips)
Seat 5: NicoMaserati (15797 in chips)
Seat 6: PositivActiv (12370 in chips)
Seat 7: wormnorton (47581 in chips)
Seat 8: Mazak14 (41870 in chips)
Seat 9: pepasscp (13654 in chips)
WanttobeGus: posts the ante 125
MilesLogaNL: posts the ante 125
Ljeljka: posts the ante 125
claypole: posts the ante 125
NicoMaserati: posts the ante 125
PositivActiv: posts the ante 125
wormnorton: posts the ante 125
Mazak14: posts the ante 125
pepasscp: posts the ante 125
PositivActiv: posts small blind 500
wormnorton: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to claypole [Ac Kc]
Mazak14: folds
pepasscp: folds
WanttobeGus: raises 1400 to 2400
MilesLogaNL: folds
Ljeljka: folds
claypole: raises 3600 to 6000
NicoMaserati: folds
PositivActiv: folds
wormnorton: folds
WanttobeGus: calls 3600
*** FLOP *** [Ad As 6d]
WanttobeGus: checks
claypole: bets 5000
WanttobeGus: calls 5000
*** TURN *** [Ad As 6d] [Qh]
WanttobeGus: checks
claypole: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ad As 6d Qh] [Th]
WanttobeGus: bets 28679 and is all-in

I'd bet the turn..hopefully he has a ace and it's for value if not you're giving a flush draw a free card.... River is a massive sigh obv... If I was oppo with a ace I'd prob be check calling rather than jamming which points to ur beat..but I'm the bloke 4 bet jams 4 7 suited into girls eyes :)

Why did you check the turn Shaun?

Yeh I'd fold river now, flop should be bigger though he's often goog to peel pocket pairs once and fold the turn so going abit bigger now is important.

Turn seems like a clear check tho.

Guess there was two things on my mind; I'm not technical like the boys, which is why I don't post here often.

The Q was not a great card, as AQ was a big part of his range when he peeled and called check called c-bet. My logic was, I thought if he had the AQ, he'd make a value sized value bet of 10k on river and I could call down and have a playable stack of 30k ish. I don't think he jams AQ, he loses value to AK/KK, maybe AJ/AT suited which I am capable of 3 betting to pressure  the bubble.The second thing on my mind was I might induce a spew by checking the turn on a brick river...so I'm thinking at that point I'm calling any non diamond or non Jack jam.

Typos corrected

Loving the term 'brickyard river'

Am gonna use that. Along with bonkaments ofc.

I fold. We literally beat none of his raise call range.

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Fml - Pleno style autocorrect

So you think his range at this point with the jam is as tight as QQ/AQ/66? He never turns up with  Ad Jd or some sort of draw? He's not a high stakes MTT reg, I guess in some ways that may anser my question - interestingly Trigg plays as I did, not that that's a defence, however why I wanted some more views.

Thanks

Yep, fair point bet sizing, 7100 or something?

Same question river, you think his range is that tight were beat what, 80%+ of time?

Would fold river

I fold and would expect villain to have A-Q or A-10.

Question tho? On the turn you think AQ makes up a big part of his range yet when he jams you say he wouldn't do that with AQ. Don't see why 2 streets points you to AQ as big part of range but when he jams final street then no longer AQ. I don't think river jam is inconsistent with AQ, esp from unknown player. I wouldn't be sure enough about his river ideas to discount a big part of his range derived from previous streets anyhow.

Also don't know if inducing spew from low stakes sat player in big comp on pure bubble with comfortable stack is likely.

All fair assumptions to make.

So why are you considering folding now?

Against a completely unknown villain, I think I have to call here.

i bet turn small. call river.

Is the turn bet pot control ?

And when he shoves river?

betting turn cos i think we got the nuts and villain will call with worse hands as well as charging Fds. As played im calling when he shoves the river cos villain can have worse aces that he thinks  are the nuts since we checked back turn, as well as ocassional bluffs.  you can argue that villain isnt peeling many aces that arent now FHs but in my experience v randoms in the big 109 theyll peel A6o.

To be honest Keith, I wasn't - I called, however in game I did reconsider my plan and considered folding, albeit very briefly.  I posted as a couple of people, who are NOT MTT high stakes regs said it was a clear pass, similar to Muckthenuts, Mantis, Pleno - so wanted to get someviews if my line to call was well off the mark.  Based on Middy / Trigg / your response v Mantis, Pleno, Muck, Pinchop - I am assuming it was a tough spot and not a terrible call.

Thanks for replies :)

Under normal circumstances I can see calling being extremely profitable vs this type of villain.

But one really has to consider the situation. A ssmtt reg, on the pure bubble of the big109 (a min cash represents a massive win for him, this hand will be EXTREMELY important to him) checking the turn, then over jamming the river.

A failed turn check raise, now trying to get max value is how I viewed it. I'm not sure if he even bets AT otr just in case you've checked behind ott with the FH yourself. I know a lot of people can be overly aggro on the bubble, just struggle to see it from this particular guy.

Ta

think he is never shoving worse than your hand on the river and i feel  he would take the line he took with TT, he has opened MP and just flatted the 3b pre on the pure bubble which is feasible, check called the flop, got to see the river for free and jammed hoping you've taken a soft line with an ace I presume? can't see much else villain would take that line with,
if he is decent and is a winning player at lower stakes I doubt he is opening a weakish ace and much more likely a mid pair.
 as others have said a cash for villain here would be great for him so never risking it all with less

First time for everything, but I agree with the welsh boy.

Looks like AQ/TT when he overbet jams.

I dont play mtt's but in cash overbets are rarley air.

i really dont like this hand, have actually been looking at this thread for >20 minutes before deciding to respond as i think its a pretty gross spot and situation, however changes i would make to the hand are:

- 3bet smaller (4855-5155)
- with the smaller 3bet your flop sizing is now OK - however as played bet more on the flop (~6555)
- bet turn (~8k-10k)
- now if he bets river instead of checking to you its a clear fold imo (regardless of price - although we can tilt rofl it in and he can show up with KQs / AJ very very rarely) - but im pretty confident hes going to check to you and i personally would be checking back (in this particular spot due to pretty gross run out) - however if you decide to go for thin value (betting in this spot WOULD be thin vs villan imo) then pray hes a spaz.