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This hand annoyed me in a tournament on Thursday (mainly due to OOL verbals from someone out of the hand who was over telling a "bad beat" story to his mate), was pretty happy with my thinking, want to check this stage by stage so will post bit by bit and see if I butchered it or not.  I am first to admit sometime my bet sizings probably arent optimum but the principal thinking seemed okay to me.

Tournament is a £30 MTT 8 Max with 60 runners and around 32 left.

Blinds are 600/1200 100 ante with average around 45,000.  Running at 20 minute levels so will get shovey pretty quick

Hero Stack: 47,000 (SB)
Villian Stack:  63,000

It folds round to Villain to right of button (is this hijack? lol) who raises to 3400

Hero looks down at  9c 9h with 600 invested so 2800 to call.  Big Blind is absolute calling station who may very well flat 3b horrendously and will call the initial raise 99.99999999% of the time.  We played with BB the day before and confident post flop with him involved.  Hero has not even been at the table a full ring and has played no hands and has no info or experience of Villain.

Do we Flat/3b/fold....How does the >>> go on the 3 options? I assume we dont fold, that never crossed my mind. If you elect 3b what level?

3b>Flat>Fold

but honestly i would say both Flatting and Folding are quite bad in this spot.

3bet to ~9k (live) - online i'd be recommending different sizing.

In a 30 freezeout I'd just flat

100% flat live when they fold to 3bet close to 0%

Defo flat live. Online -3b to snap a jam.

Yeah flatting seems fine.

And it's the cutoff he is raising from.

Thanks, I knew it was high jack or cut off wasnt sure which!

So we have concensus of flat.  This is what I do.  Reasons being BB is a station pre and if he flats my 3b it gives the original raiser pretty easy squeeze spot and without history i am not keen to call off 40ish bigs pre flop.  Also the hand isnt ideal OOP against 2 opponents.  As expected BB calls.  So we have a 11,000 pot to the flop.

Flop comes down:     Jc  3c  7d

Now I assume we are not advocating donk leading here so we check, BB checks, original raiser leads for 2k! (yes 2k into 11k)  The way the raise went in led me to believe player was inexperienced and was not I am betting so low as I am so strong and I am the mayor of value town.  We also have the issue of the BB who is probably capable of a C/R.

What we doing now?  Check/Fold, Check/Raise or Check/Flat would like to know the >>> here and bet sizing of C/R or does anyone actually donklead this?

I prefer the 3bet. I think the equity in your hand is better pre so raise imo. Flatting is to welcome a multi way pot with a medium pair while oop to both players. This can work but I think the game is playing quite shallow so not enough room for some funky post flop game even if the flop is one you like. If either of the other guys want to call with a worse hand when you 3bet then that is ok. If the game gets pushy quickly then no time to lose in getting on front foot with an average stack imo, 3bet 8k. As played I would call this 2k bet.

really depends on how good (or more specifically how our read is on his aggression) button is, can deffo see mantis's argument here and we do have a lot of v tricky quessing games postflop with a flat. That said i call purely to keep the BB in the pot which should sway the value we can get out the hand.

leading live isnt bad multiway and this isnt a bad spot to do it either.

8111/call

It's live- doubt u can make it 8111

just announce it bro

3 bet call it off pre, make it large as well dont want BB and btn to flat and play it 3 way OOP this would be my standard.

I dont hate a call either, if you have a decent handle on how villain will play postflop (i.e. he c bets gives up type player) might even be better. Since we don't its tough to know hot to proceed, theres not going to many flops you like and actually the one you got its pretty decent for your hand.

The problem is now if we check call this flop (check raise would be pretty bad I think), half the deck is not nice for us and even if its a blank and he fires again your in a pretty tricky spot with a lot of your stack invested.
Given it's size I geuss we have to call and re-evaluate the turn

I don't know which 30 pound MTT's you've played but 3 bet calling 99 even sb vs cut off is not advisable unless you want to head home early

The blinds are like 20 mins so prob not even one orbit per level in live poker. I venture in a very short time a hand like 9-9 will be auto fist pump jam. In a fast structure play the hand fast imo.

raise calling is terrible in a live donkament you can prob steal blind folded later on

+1 George. Raise/calling pre vs the avg guy in these comps is literally burning money.

Well not literally, but you get the gist.

Right I am struggling to figure from this the concensus but maybe this is where we start the "butcher"

So we check/raise to 7k* the thinking is A I am tilted by the 1/5th of pot raise and B we want to check where we are in the hand.  I am reluctant to call/call/call as a lot of scare cards out there and I want control of the hand on what is not that scary a flop! So BB folds and villain calls.

So we are 25k in the pot to the turn which is a  4c putting the flush out.  Assuming you have done what I have done, what we doing now? how bad is what I did?

*I hate my bet sizing on reflection, the low lead skewed my pot awareness slightly

Also Mantis is on my thread so I am happy regardless how bad i played lol

;hattip;

After the flop there is now 25k in the pot which isn't far off your remaining stack. And the flop action wasn't exactly hot. Calling pre means you will c/fold lots of broadway flops and semi decent flops will often see you going to the turn with a big pot out there and no clue what's going on. I think if you elect to play thru the streets this shallow you need to have a least some idea what range your oppos have. As played we have a green 9 so would prob just jam. You already pegged him as a novice so it's a big call for his 'tournament life'. Interested to hear what soul readers do tho.

What's the stack size of BB?
If he has well above ave he prob peels a 3b as he's a station pre, but what if he has say 25k?