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fascinating article i have just stumbled upon

http://www.snookerbacker.com/2012/10/15/stephen-lee-guilty-until-proven-innocent/

from what i have read i am pretty sure in my opinion this does not look very good (to say the least) my only real doubt is to why if he did do this he chose to do so against an opponent whose every match is now scrutinized to the nth degree?

any views?

There are plenty of bent games but these often accelerate as part of their own hype.

It may have been bent and the people involved might have had a good thing going where they make 30k on a game regularly without issue. Someone may have sqwauked, they sqwauked to someone else, someone in the industry got wind and now the snowball really takes off and there are 100s of thousands getting traded. Or someone just made it up and started the rumour and it got off the ground that way.

What would genuinely offer an insight is who was trading on the games.

That is a really good piece.

Got to be honest, my own personal opinion after watching footage and reading analysis is it doesn't look good.  There is some strange shot selection earlier than the blue to pink shots - I wouldn't like to be in his shoes

agreed

Why oh why 2 days after being cleared would he though?

Even the dimmest bulb wouldn't choose this timing surely?

he's guilty as sin

If you owe the wrong sort of people alot of money, you'll do anything they tell you.

hes a total bell end

i paid a couple of hundred for a charity, to have a frame and bit of a mess around with steven lee. (never really liked him anyway but it was charity, so who cares)

He broke, i somehow managed a long red, pink, red then missed a blue. he cleared up. quick handshake and that was that, bellend

Alot of love for this ppst - especially "bellend"

tbh that makes me like him more than i did previously.

+1..... Maybe you should have offered him a back hander

Bolded bit makes it sound like you were trying for a tight brown.

He is just bent and it's embarrassing that he has been allowed to play on for so long but he must be so stupid he just doesn't get it yet.

When his mates ( and I mean coded accounts saying friend of Stephen Lee, careful all snooker) or ( puts on for Stephen Lee) are all ploughing into him to lose first frames, sessions and matches this is what then happens.

The traders from firm A that they get on with go and bet it themselves with firm B, Firm B 's traders look at the market and see its getting shorter  and they go and bet it with Firm C and so on, Firm C get themselves on and when you get down to firm H almost every trader in the industry is on, usually with each other.

So the market is now alive  and all the follow onners have got on too so it becomes a huge gamble when at the start they were just trying to nick 2-3k nice and quiet.

When the firms are talking about lots of bets from the same area all on the same selection and from new accounts too, it is usually a load of industry people doing the rounds.

Joe Jogia got 2 years for getting his mates to bet the other guy in one of his matches and then bottling it when he realised the word was out and he pulled out of the match, he still got 2 years.

This **** has been pulling the same strokes for years yet good old Barry Hearn has got a sham of a security system . It is basically manned by his mates/ confidants and is happy to slap a few no names down coz they don't make him any money  but is not dealing with the ones that are at it that he needs to sell tickets and TV deals.

I work for an online company, we're a small outfit but one thing that has always bothered me as a punter is what about the times when we have  info relating to certain events that we take money off joe public and we know they have no chance of winning.  suppose you gotta take the rough with the smooth.  When bookmakers and industry insiders cry foul that equally gets on my goat as much as the likes of Lee cheating does.

Me too, that example above is when the workers of the firms are on for more between them than Lee and his mates.

Then the hierachy at the firms are telling stories about punters only wanting one side, lots of new accounts etc, most of these bets and new accounts are usually from places like Leeds, Essex, Stoke and Gib.

A lot of years ago I got involved in betting one of these hooky matches as a follow onner when I didn't know better. We chopped it off and the match was investigated. A few months down the line we all got warnings from the gaffers coz they had passed on the details of the customers that had bet on the match with us to the police and in return were asked to explain why the names of almost all their trading team had been passed on to them by other firms for betting it with them.

It didnt look good when they were explaining it was crooked when on paper the people that benefitted the most were mainly bookmaker staff.

"He broke, i somehow managed a long red, pink, red then missed a blue. he cleared up. quick handshake and that was that, bellend"

I can hear Willie Thorne now "Buzz is SEETHING at that missed blue to middle.  These were his balls, but all he can do it sit there and wait now and hope for another chance"

Good post.

All ridic, now because of the match fixing scandal's now every shot by a pro is scrutinised! Same now anytime someone goes 10-2 up or w/e which seems a break point to no return, if the other person comes back they prob wont get the credit due as its more likely now people will just say oh he probably threw the match.

Seems a silly match to throw here and he is even threatening to sue Judd Trump as he brought his name in to it, nothing will ever be confirmed can gurantee this.

I havent personally watched the match but my mate who has played snooker/pool for 25+ years has and said doesnt even look like he missed any easy shot or anything to suggest he was not trying, sometimes in snookerments it can just go as i have experianced plenty of days, its hard to remain 100% on the ball . FWIW i am only a local league player in my area not to a good standard but can hold my own

after i potted my 3rd ball i did jokingly ask him if he fancied playing for a grand. his response was "woop i shouldnt really talk about things like that" with a little smirk on his face. (sweat dripping down off his forehead aswell)

no wonder he cleared up after that lol, prob thought, "ill show this guy"

better late than never for this @@@@

http://www.worldsnooker.com/staticFiles/9b/be/0,,13165~179867,00.pdf


Just read the above

How can the criminal case have been dropped based on that report?

It is incredible that these games have supposedly been investigated in the past by Hearn's lol security team.

The thing that struck me reading that tho Horse was the almost casual way they refer to the Swail match as being suspected corrupt but dismissed it as corrupt because the guy's putting Lee on in other games he lost then bet Lee to win this match. Especially as it list's their win in this match as substantial.

Hand on heart if you were investigating that game with a view to it being bent and had dismissed any suggestion that Lee threw the game what/who would you investigate next?

Yet as far as I know there is no other investigation going on as to why a now proven cheat's mates were all  suddenly betting on him to win a match of little consequence in low key non ranking match. This is the thing that makes my blood boil. They all know it is happening but aren't doing anything about it until they absolutely have to. Why are they not investigating Swail for example in that match if it was one of the biggest winning matches that Lee and his team bet on and the only match listed that Lee won?


'''Match 4 is no longer relied upon by the WPBSA as a fixed match. It took place on 8 February 2008 and
was between Mr Lee and Jo Swail. Mr Lee won. All the associated bettors betting on the Malta Cup (Mr
Jones, Mr Lockwood, Mr Bernard, Mr Gibbs and Mr MacDougall) bet very heavily on Mr Lee to win and
won substantial sums. This stands in marked contrast to those bettors laying Mr Lee against his earlier
opponents.'''


They have it listed on the wall of shame as not fixed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snooker_players_investigated_for_match-fixing

Jimmy Michie   Shoot-Out
Round 1   28 January 2011   Marcus Campbell   21–32
(points)   Investigated by the WPBSA over suspicious betting patterns, but no charges were brought.   

Marcus Campbell   Shoot-Out
Round 1   28 January 2011   Jimmy Michie   32–21
(points)   Investigated by the WPBSA over suspicious betting patterns, but no charges were brought.

Also from that list too. Marcus Campbell is one of the straightest guy's you will ever meet, would be in the bottom 1% of any player suspected of trying to fix matches. Jimmy Michie is almost the godfather of getting the result the money indicates will happen. I could prob list matches from up to 12/15 years ago that he got the required result in. He is in the top 1% of players that have been suspected of throwing matches in the past. Tho Marcus is listed on that list in exactly the same way that Michie is. That game above ( which was just a one frame shootout) was so obviously bent yet is just listed as investigated but no charges brought.

See that Ronnie has been giving it some on Twitter regarding this too.

I'm glad he has mate, last year Mark Allen was tweeting Lee after a spat saying that he hoped his next oppo beat him but that Lee had probably bet on the other guy anyway. The players know when games are being thrown and probably split in categories of would never ever be involved, have done so themselves in the past so keep quiet or are happy to/are doing  so now.

I know one bookmaking firm that have a list of around 10 players currently playing that they offer reduced limits on when their matches take place and take them down at the first sign all is not well. They don't offer in running betting on their games because it is apparent within seconds of putting out next frame prices that they are not expected to win that frame.

One of the Thai players being investigated in those qualifier defeats in Donny last month is head and shoulders number 1 on that list yet none of his matches have even got to the investigation stage by the authorities until that game. I was told afterwards that almost every bet placed on those 2 matches were for both outsiders to beat both the Thai guys and a double both the outsiders. Matches had such small limits because of previous iffy games featuring those guys that the amounts they have won is peanuts really yet they are still doing it.

Pretty sad state of affairs, but I'm guessing Hearn just tries to sweep it under the carpet wherever possible.

John Higgins is the prime example.

Of course, it makes me laugh to see Judd Trump coming out with the 'life bans' comment too.

Why ?

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No concrete evidence of match fixing in snooker But just like everyone one who works in an office they have a good idea who's shagging who

It's a good analogy really, if you know the guy on the next desk is giving the tea girl one and you are giving the secretary one you don't go around creating a fuss that the guy on the next desk is giving the tea girl one do you.

Just does ;)

How much did you have on Holt to win 5-1?

I almost want to to kick the PC in after reading this  ;frustrated;

Hearn reacted by saying that his organisation would ask O'Sullivan to expand on his allegations.
"If he has names and he knows of incidences, he has an obligation and a duty to report them and failure to do so will put him in breach of his player's contract," he said.
"World Snooker will be writing to Ronnie to say that under his player's contract, it is his responsibility to report any incidences he's aware of and failure to do so would lay him open to a charge of bringing the game into disrepute."

"The message is clear: if you cheat you will be found out and you will be punished."


Ronnie has an obligation and a duty to come forward and tell the guy that's done his best to sweep it under the carpet of the games that have been swept under the carpet?

Ha, just had to get on Google because I didn't even know there was a tournament going on at the moment.

At the Thread bash, buy me a beer and I'll tell all about my snooker match fixing tale.

It's quite funny but does involve me losing a whole terms student grant. :(

It's a deal

Does it depend how hot the secretary is?

@sickipediabot 16 Sep

Stephen Lee has challenged John Higgins to a 17 frame one off match. The time, date, and result have yet to be fixed.

I am thinking if i ever do get a fortune through winning the lottery, I think I am going to pay off two snooker players in the same match to lose the game. Huge amounts and giving them no alternative but to lose once they have openly agreed and see the carnage take place.

Heh.

You've pretty much stolen my fixed snooker game story!

Does this mean bobby1 owes Ant a drink? I'm getting confused now.

Remember the boxing match in Porridge?

Genuinely thought it up myself, so I am quite proud, although it wasn't too hard a situation to think up, I guess. Wasn't deliberate Camel, :D

The match in reality would just end as a void/draw after both would blame illness or the like.

more details please you can keep the names secret for liable reason or PM would be great espically for those of us not fit for london

12 year ban just announced.

Proper ban that!

Exhibition marches only now then, presumably.

Yeah.

Quinten Hann is able to come back next year if he wants to, I believe. Will be interesting to see if he does.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/24242617


lol..

Why on earth would he not get a lawyer ? That's absurd.

OJ's boy wasn't available?

Skint presumably. Now he has to pay £40K in costs.

Would imagine he takes up pro pool like Hann.

Got rid of 3 according to Ken Doherty.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-27347766

(http://oi41.tinypic.com/3026vc0.jpg)

More good news for the **** today, his appeal has been laughed at and they have made him pay another 20k in costs taking his expenses to a reported 125k. Sick thing is he might still be in front if they took in all the games he hasn't been charged with tho at least he is paying for being bent now.

he doesnt like paying his charges anyways

Why is he even appealing?  It's comical the evidence put before him.  I read the whole report issued against him and it's as cast iron guilt as anything i have ever seen in my life.  He must be either deluded beyond belief and/or getting awful legal advice.

He is from Trowbridge....nuf said

It looks like a case of delusion and bad advice.

I can see him selling stories to the papers about other games and players now he has almost been excluded from the game. He said he was skint before and now got to find another 20

He really is a lowlife.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27762274

I wonder how many other people he's "sold" that cue to.

hard to imagine how busto he must be to be doing stuff like this.

Totally potless.