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hated this fold. thoughts appreciated

PokerStars Hand #87655477225: Tournament #609423767, £700+£35 GBP Hold'em No Limit - Level X (200/400) - 2012/10/14 19:24:41 WET [2012/10/14 14:24:41 ET]
Table '609423767 31' 8-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: juarnes (29510 in chips)
Seat 2: PIUlimeira (25895 in chips)
Seat 3: dyng247 (24637 in chips)
Seat 4: rssoul20 (48051 in chips)
Seat 5: CuAt69UsdSng (21597 in chips)
Seat 6: Reraiseallin (4669 in chips)
Seat 7: willrobrobu (18808 in chips)
Seat 8: somnium89 (18663 in chips)
juarnes: posts the ante 50
PIUlimeira: posts the ante 50
dyng247: posts the ante 50
rssoul20: posts the ante 50
CuAt69UsdSng: posts the ante 50
Reraiseallin: posts the ante 50
willrobrobu: posts the ante 50
somnium89: posts the ante 50
dyng247: posts small blind 200
rssoul20: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willrobrobu [Kh Ad]
CuAt69UsdSng: folds
Reraiseallin: folds
willrobrobu: raises 400 to 800
somnium89: folds
juarnes: calls 800
PIUlimeira: folds
dyng247: folds
rssoul20: folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 4c 2h]
willrobrobu: checks
juarnes: checks
*** TURN *** [5s 4c 2h] [Ac]
willrobrobu: bets 1000
juarnes: raises 1840 to 2840
willrobrobu: calls 1840
*** RIVER *** [5s 4c 2h Ac] [Ks]
willrobrobu: checks
juarnes: bets 25600
willrobrobu said, "pretty sick"
willrobrobu said, "couldnt u just bet the pot?"
willrobrobu said, "i fold AK"
willrobrobu: folds
Uncalled bet (25600) returned to juarnes
juarnes collected 8280 from pot
juarnes: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8280 | Rake 0
Board [5s 4c 2h Ac Ks]
Seat 1: juarnes collected (8280)
Seat 2: PIUlimeira (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dyng247 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: rssoul20 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: CuAt69UsdSng folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Reraiseallin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: willrobrobu folded on the River
Seat 8: somnium89 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

and i don't need berating for my failure to c-bet the flop or the chat thanks :p

just wondering how many would call the allin here as played? and how many would fold leaving a playable stack still...

Are you implying you would of called a pot bet?

i think i would *have* to. in my experience anyway pot sized river bets from regs in this sort of spot are almost bang on 50-50 bluffs vs nuts

big overbets however i just don't know...
big overbets at small stakes happen all the time with missed draws and i tend to snap these, but i'm faced with big overbets so infrequently at mid/higher stakes that i don't really know where i stand here. the last one i called with wheel straight KO'ed me on a FT bubble with a straight to the 6. i know regs are getting a bit crazy with FE shoving on stars at least but i felt i had a stack i could still work with by folding, felt sets, 33 and A3s were all well in his range, so i did fold in this case...

what would you have done here?

Ach I wouldn't worry about being berated Rob, rarely does that happen. Interesting hand btw. :)

Yeh pretty gross spot, correct fold to a small pp imo.

May I ask what stats you and villain were running at the time?

I mean as std he's rarely flatting AK pre, and he rarely jams worse A's on this particular river once you've flatted the turn, so don't really see what we beat.

I would say though, that once we've checked the flop, I would prefer to see a check on the turn too.

i don't use an HUD. he was an active Supernova reg i've played with quite a bit, i was also rel active, sl less so than him, but would still say i was playing loose preflop and tight post on the whole. we had been 7 handed most of the time and we had seen lots of flops but rarely gone to showdown, don't think i'd seen juarnes get to showdown more than a couple of times and he had it both occasions, hence his larger stack.

Think it's an easy fold. Doubt he's trying to get you to fold an ace here.

wot no c-bet?

you forgot to mention the chat as well

definitely wasn't an easy fold for me, i tanked a full minute... but i thought it was the correct fold.

so 3/3 people here vote fold so far. anyone think we should call?

The chat is fine , he is just playing it like a live UKIPT

Don't see any big plus sides to calling.. Overbets are scewed towards big hands 'normally'.

Obv dont ever chat, I would also think about what I would do on the river when he raises turn.  Seems like we just gave him an extra 1000.

in my experience when people raise a card 'I' should hit... They've just had it.  Whatever it was.

:) UL tho, gross spot.

In this spot I don't think 8k is any different to 26k, don't think we're ever winning if he pots or overpots the river.

Personally think you got a bit unlucky and have to make the laydown.

• Fold.

Seems even more unlikely that a supernova would take such a freak line as a bluff. Your hand is genuinely face up so he's likely pegged you as a someone who may not to be able to to fold an absolute value hand, hence him going for the whole biscuit on the river. Good fold imo.

nailed it....

Haha! On a more serious note; fold. You can feel good about yourself after knowing you folded the toppest two pairs, in a spot which you were beat.

yh +1 to Amir if he's a regular player and has never seen your name before he'll struggle to "trust" you to fold an ACE let alone AK, because it's actually possible for you to have a set/AK/a straight urself I think it's almost 0% he's value betting worse and for all these reasons I think it's close to 0% a bluff as well.

I think you can just chalk this spot to "well, if he's bluffing wp cos its a bit of a suicide play" and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Fwiw I might consider checking the turn, your range is full of high Ax's so when you bet I think he'll put you solidly on one of those hands so I think you'll really struggle to get much value of anything that isn't a club draw OTT. Once you check he might stab the river with any hand he has that can't beat K or Q high (JT/89/T8 etc) trying to sneakily nick the pot of hands like KQ/KJ/QJ etc I think this is the best way you have of getting value from the turn onwards.

I actually think checking the flop is fine btw, although a c-bet might be better I'm not sure it matters too much - you prolly have the best hand so there is defo merit to protecting it OTF.

im glad we all agree its a fold.

i guess juarnes know that we generally think this way however:

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/881501_B565D9226C

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