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Title: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Tractor on January 17, 2006, 08:38:41 AM Cash game
3 players involved in flop Flop and turn are - 3s 4c 7c Round of betting , turn comes - 5d Player 1 moves all-in, player 2 calls the all-in, player 3 also moves all-in. Now in our club, players always back hands once the chips are in. Player 1 shows 6x for a straight, Player 2 Mucks hand, Player 3 also shows 6x. River is dealt- 6h This makes it a split pot. Player 2 - now declares his hand the board and takes part of the split pot. Is this right? Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Pokerron on January 17, 2006, 08:56:36 AM No, his hand is dead & he has no claim on the pot.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: 77dave on January 17, 2006, 09:16:36 AM if his hand touches the muck it is mucked
totally dead no claim to the pot Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Robert HM on January 17, 2006, 09:18:40 AM Hand mucked=hand dead=silly person
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Highstack on January 17, 2006, 09:42:39 AM Unfortunate circumstances, but I guess that he has learnt a valuable lesson for the future.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Graham C on January 17, 2006, 09:55:51 AM he was stupid to muck his cards after calling the all in. Should have kept hold of them.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: patman on January 17, 2006, 09:58:43 AM more importantly...did anyone let him have the chips...on a mucked hand.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: dik9 on January 17, 2006, 03:00:11 PM If the pot is between 3 people and two of them are all in pre river. The cards should be "on there backs" before the river is dealt. The player then has no rights to muck any hand, it is now in the control of the dealer and cards speak. All players are now live and have no choice. The person that mucked could have had 6 8 and could have been passing chips to his "mate" therefore the player that mucked should be warned that if he passed like that again he will be disqualified.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: dik9 on January 17, 2006, 03:05:18 PM Sorry just read it was a cash game, I take that back :D
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: PointsUp on January 17, 2006, 04:58:37 PM According to that guys logic, if he claimed to play the board after passing his hand before the river, then everyone who passed before the river can also play the board including pre-flop passes. :redcard:
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Tractor on January 17, 2006, 07:13:02 PM Thanks for the reply guys.
I normally make any decisions in the tournies and cash games but the problem was i was one of the all-in players. So i passed the decision over to one of the other members, after a lot of chat they allowed him to take his share of the pot!!! I said his hand was dead but obviously couldnt get involved, anyway I removed all his chips shortly after :) Cheers Jason Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Div on January 17, 2006, 08:57:48 PM ......anyway I removed all his chips shortly after :) Not surprised, since he was daft enough to muck in that situation! Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Royal Flush on January 18, 2006, 01:49:04 AM Well he is clearly not a good player given he called on a 3457 board and had no outs!
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: luckyblind on January 18, 2006, 03:34:19 AM Related to this thread. the other night a guy at the final table moved all in and did not hear a person call, he thought he had won uncontested and mucked his cards. What should have been the ruling?
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: Karabiner on January 18, 2006, 10:27:35 AM All rulings are subject to a "spirit of the game " factor, so IMO leeway must be given for honest mistakes.
Title: Re: Ruling - What happens here Post by: thetank on January 18, 2006, 11:16:28 AM Related to this thread. the other night a guy at the final table moved all in and did not hear a person call, he thought he had won uncontested and mucked his cards. What should have been the ruling? In a tournaments, I believe accidental exposure of cards does not result in them being declared dead. Consistently doing it or if it was done deibrately results in a time penalty though. The hand stands, he's all-in, there's a call. Deal out the cards and see who wins. In a cash game exposing cards prematurely kills the hand though. Subject to what Karabiner said about "the spirit of the game" |