Title: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 02, 2012, 02:40:49 PM I'm going to do a database analysis now I have a significant amount of hands to look at.
I have a series 'search and destroy' which shows you how, but I wanted to get ideas and tips for what to look for as 'common leaks' for cash game players at the lower limits. Lines and graphs can show all sorts, but there is a big change in mine over the last couple of months - namely my NSD has taken a nosedive and my SD is rocketing.... I'm looking for suggestions like "look for river action is XC, it should be a small loser imo" - or similar. Thanks all. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 02, 2012, 07:23:18 PM Bummmmmp
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 02, 2012, 10:41:46 PM Going over hands you find then check this guy out. Really enjoyed his series this is a free sample.
http://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/tpe-theory-expert-level-hand-history-analysis-part-1/ (http://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/tpe-theory-expert-level-hand-history-analysis-part-1/) Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 03, 2012, 01:38:53 AM You use HEM one can only assume? Have you tried the leakbuster programme?
Not sure how good it is maybe somebody will post up opinions on it. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 03, 2012, 01:39:20 AM Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: smashedagain on November 03, 2012, 06:29:29 AM Am I missing something.... Should you not put up a link to the data so the usual suspects can analyse it then rip the piss out of you? :)
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: atdc21 on November 03, 2012, 11:37:35 AM Lol Jason sooooooo funny but true.......
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 03, 2012, 01:15:19 PM People don't like sharing the gems mate. Was hoping this thread would get some good response.
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 04, 2012, 02:59:29 PM I use HEM2, have used the leakbuster trial i think.
cmon guys, ideas for common lowstakes errors/ mistakes? places to look at? Anyone got a model of where i should be winning $$? and acceptable loss rate from x position with y hand? Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: SuuPRlim on November 05, 2012, 06:15:04 AM it's really hard to help you here as the question is extremely general, I could tell you what I look at when I'm analysing hands I've played, but we play totally different stakes and game so would be mmore harm than good.
What you're doing right now is you're building your own "personality" as a poker player, this starts (generally) with a solid core fundamental game followed by loads of stylistic adaptations designed to suit your style specifically, it's extremely difficult for me to say "should look at X river stat, or Y turn range" etc because I really don't have enough understanding of your general approach. Wat I would suggest as you get used to this stuff is to play around with the filters on your HEM reports section, filter the different positions, in 3bet pots, calling 3bets, unopened pots etc any situation you can think off and look at the results, see if any of them are massively down then look at the reasons WHY you might be losing there, a lot of the time most of these results will be down to external influence but if there is a big leak you'll spot it this way. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: JustinSayne on November 05, 2012, 10:42:10 AM First of all, go to leakbuster and do the 'positions' option.
Add your raise 1st/steal %. Flop cbet etc. The usual bits. Then upload it here/in your blog and we can have a peak at it. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Honeybadger on November 05, 2012, 10:53:39 AM This guy has a very good reputation and specialises in HEM/PT database analysis:
http://mpethypoker.com/ Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: smashedagain on November 05, 2012, 12:05:39 PM Took a while but getting there now.
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: pleno1 on November 05, 2012, 12:25:52 PM look at things outside of stats..
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 05, 2012, 07:47:44 PM look at things outside of stats.. for a poker supergenius you're a pain in the arse sometimes.... expand pls mate. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 05, 2012, 07:50:56 PM it's really hard to help you here as the question is extremely general, I could tell you what I look at when I'm analysing hands I've played, but we play totally different stakes and game so would be mmore harm than good. What you're doing right now is you're building your own "personality" as a poker player, this starts (generally) with a solid core fundamental game followed by loads of stylistic adaptations designed to suit your style specifically, it's extremely difficult for me to say "should look at X river stat, or Y turn range" etc because I really don't have enough understanding of your general approach. Wat I would suggest as you get used to this stuff is to play around with the filters on your HEM reports section, filter the different positions, in 3bet pots, calling 3bets, unopened pots etc any situation you can think off and look at the results, see if any of them are massively down then look at the reasons WHY you might be losing there, a lot of the time most of these results will be down to external influence but if there is a big leak you'll spot it this way. i completely get where you're coming from but tbh still think im 'back' in the stages where generic "you should be winning in 3bt pots with initiative" "you should be losing 1bb/100 from bb - thats a good thing" "you should be winning in pots where you bet 3 times..." kinda logic/ statements apply. That's why patricks first one of - river action is XC, whats ur numbers john? and I find I'm -15bi's over x hands. I thought that was 'ok' but he said to me, not really it should be much closer to $0 or winning... its a tiny thin but now I'm not going to look at river XC decisions the same - I hope. Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 05, 2012, 10:44:03 PM Took a while but getting there now. Yep. Really like this whole post. May have to heed my own advice and purchase leakbuster.Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: pleno1 on November 05, 2012, 11:08:25 PM look for the things people dont look for.
its alot more fun finding things like this out for yourself, but.. days, hours, session lengths, look for collerations, patterns and find out when you should/shouldnt be playing Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Doobs on November 05, 2012, 11:18:16 PM it's really hard to help you here as the question is extremely general, I could tell you what I look at when I'm analysing hands I've played, but we play totally different stakes and game so would be mmore harm than good. What you're doing right now is you're building your own "personality" as a poker player, this starts (generally) with a solid core fundamental game followed by loads of stylistic adaptations designed to suit your style specifically, it's extremely difficult for me to say "should look at X river stat, or Y turn range" etc because I really don't have enough understanding of your general approach. Wat I would suggest as you get used to this stuff is to play around with the filters on your HEM reports section, filter the different positions, in 3bet pots, calling 3bets, unopened pots etc any situation you can think off and look at the results, see if any of them are massively down then look at the reasons WHY you might be losing there, a lot of the time most of these results will be down to external influence but if there is a big leak you'll spot it this way. i completely get where you're coming from but tbh still think im 'back' in the stages where generic "you should be winning in 3bt pots with initiative" "you should be losing 1bb/100 from bb - thats a good thing" "you should be winning in pots where you bet 3 times..." kinda logic/ statements apply. That's why patricks first one of - river action is XC, whats ur numbers john? and I find I'm -15bi's over x hands. I thought that was 'ok' but he said to me, not really it should be much closer to $0 or winning... its a tiny thin but now I'm not going to look at river XC decisions the same - I hope. XC? Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: pleno1 on November 05, 2012, 11:29:17 PM checkcall
Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: Sulphur man on November 12, 2012, 01:52:48 PM Just having a look at the Anthology of 2+2 Wisdom on MTTs and found this. Was half way down and thought would be good to share here.
Basically said last week use HEM/SNGWIZ and this piece gives you a good run through of how that can be done. Enjoy. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/3k-post-how-learn-good-them-sngs-tl-dr-625856/ (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/3k-post-how-learn-good-them-sngs-tl-dr-625856/) Title: Re: Database analysis - help! Post by: jgcblack on November 13, 2012, 09:40:13 PM Did some yesterday and found some interesting things over my last 150k hands on stars zoom.
Not sure how, what, if I'll post results on here but I did find some very +Ev parts to my game and some very -Ev parts too. Probably need someone to help me explain the stuff like - BB would be -100bb/100 if you never played it so anything better than that is 'winning' (or whatever the accurate statement is) |