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Yo, i dont post many hands here anymore as the majority of my play is online, but i have a hand from ukipt bristol which i just busted so while its fresh in my mind, ill post here, might be good hand to analyse.

So its level 1, about 45 minutes in to 25/50, starting stacks were 15k, im up to about 16k with no real showdowns. I have opened a large amount of pots when it had folded to me, although hadnt folded to me too often as a "young kid" to my right had opened before me a fair bit, im not a young internet kid anymore  :-(  
The rest of the table had been tight, and the villain in this pot had limp/folded once pre, apart frm that, hadnt moved a chip.

Villain opens to 150 off 15k from the HJ, cutoff and button both peel. I call from the BB with Qd 9d

625 pot.  Qs 9h 7d

I check, villain bets 500.
I c/r this to 1850 with a view to play for stacks. He looks like he genuinely doesnt know what to do and calls.
Pot is 4325

Turn is  6d
Giving us a board of  Qs 9h 7d 6d

I bet 2500. He thinks for about 2 minutes and announces raise to 4,000. The dealer informs him it has to be 5,000.

Thoughts here?

I call giving us a pot of 14,325.
I have like 8400 back.

River is  3s.

So  Qs 9h 7d 6d 3s

I check and he pretty quickly moves allin.

His shove is 7400.

At the time i didnt think he was bluffing obv, but with the retarded action on the turn (tried to under raise etc), i thought maybe he is playing absurdly bad with a worse value hand.

Tough spot imo, although the table was soft and i can defo "wait for better spots", but still, we dont lose to many combos.
Im assuming he doesnt open T8s so with blockers too QQ and 99, we only really lose to 77.

Appreciate peoples opinions, especially people who play more live than i do.

thanks, hope this is wrote up ok, im typing quickly in hotel as going bk to sunny cornwall now

I wouldn't get funky at 25/50 in big comp for a big pot so weighted towards genuine article imo. I want to settle in, order a latte and call down medium, even strong hands here. The travel, effort and expense to get there always makes spew much less likely than internet.

Yh agree with the majority of tht man.
But like, no way we can fold the turn right, so we c/f river and be happy about it ?

I don't think you should be happy about folding. But unless the guy is pissing a big buy-in up the wall at 25/50 it's prob wise.

agree can't fold turn tho

wp till river, clear fold now imo

Yeah horrible spot, can't fold turn, he opens T8 like, never, so he has a set almost always with turn action this early.

Think I prefer to check/c the turn vs described villain this early, simply because we ALWAYS realise our equity if the river is blue as he's never folding a set, yet if it bricks off we get away from the pot cheaper than a b/c line. Ta

why doesn't he open T8s from the hijack sorry?

Not saying he 100% doesnt, but in 45 minutes of play, he hadn't seen a single flop. He ha limp/folded once that was it.

Don't know why we would ever check the turn man, when he calls our c/r on the flop, we has no reason to think we don't have the best hand. Just gona keep betting vs Kq aq kk aa right

i thik you play 100% perfect till the river and should probably make a fold.

you dont lose to many combos of value hands but you have to remember you dont think he is opening t8s, so by the same logic he isnt opening, q7, 79 or probably q9 suited or offsuit..... which leaves us with hands we only lose to, despite it being a thin range, its the opening level in a live event where the guy hasnt moved a chip in 45 mins(other than limpi/folding) has opened, peeled your c/r on a dry board, min raised a dry turn and shoved river.... he just has it unfortunatley. The more i think about it, the more clear of a fold it is

yh agree, the more i think about it the more we can just c/f easily.
cheers

Did you know you can analyze hands from internet pokers here too?

Yeah fair enough Marc. Just saying how I'd play it.

The pot ott is 4325. Villain has 13000.

We check. He bets 3200. We call.

Pot on the river is now 10725. Villain has 9800 behind.

Still getting stacks in on Q 9 or blue rivers, yet if it bricks off we can c/f with 11k behind.

Flip side obv is that we loose value on the turn if he checks behind, but I don't mind that so much on level1 of a tournie, plus we can be much more confident to value bet bricks ont river. Ta

think it would be criminal to check the turn.

the under raise is a HUGE tell of strength. even though there are so few combo's we can probably pretty accurately nail his range down to sets. there is a slight worry he might think AA/KK is the nuts here is the only issue.

We're calling the turn purely because we're getting enough of a price to hit a blue card or a Q or a 9, we have the best hand pretty much never imo. I know how you feel like he might be spazzing about with a slighty worse hand for value but tbh I think he has T8 here 100%, I think he'd call the flop more than he'd 3bet with 77 and i think he raises the turn some of the time with it it too but never anything worse imo.

Would really hate checking the turn.

Thoughts on donking flop?

I don't mind leading the flop when its a 4 way pot; there's quite a few bad turn cards on occasion when it gets checked all round. However, as confident as you were on the flop of having the best hand, if you lead and then he raises you would probably 3-bet/get it in and with the info you got on later streets as played, you would probably be getting stacked in this hand when you lead out on the flop (providing he raises your flop bet that is).

It does sound like he has a set, even though you have the blockers, it's not impossible that he has the QQQ or 999 as well as the 777. A bit suspicious about the snap all in on the river though, with the smaller sets it'a not unnatural for him to be beat here, would of thought he would like to think about it a bit longer.

I prefer donking the most, we can shutdown and lose a smaller pot on certain turns and rivers and still get 3 streets on good runouts.