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Isn't it about time Wayne Hutchinson was given the pick of rides over Choc Thornton?

Over the last few years it has become clear that all Choc's falls have taken their toll and he just doesnt ride as positively as he used to. He used to be brave and ride horses into fences and hurdles, but now a familiar trait is to almost lean back as he approaches the obstacle, at speed, adopting a very careful stance. Wayne,on the other hand sits beautifully still and presents horses wonderfully at the fence.

Aside of styles, look at Kings record over the last few years, his totals are down, and his golden periods each year are when Choc has been injured and Wayne is riding, see Jan/Feb this year.

Just now King had 2 in a race and this was the perfect example. Choc on the 1/2 fav(so obviously fancied more than the 2nd string) was all at sea. Had the horse in a bad position, never presented it at hurdles well and was outrideen over the final couple when ahead of stablemate.

The first nail in the coffin for me, was when Choc also showed a total lack of brains a few years back. I recall a novice chase at Newbury when he was riding Bensalem in a nervous chase against Diamond Harry. DH continually jumped right at fences on that day, but good old Choc was getting spooked by decided the best course of action was to ride upsides the right of DH, thus getting carries further right at each fence.

I am firmly of the opinion that had Wayne been riding Walkon, Mr King would now have care of the Paddy Power winner.

Time for a change methinks?

Anyone else see Thorntons 3 rides for King today. Any differing thoughts?

I've thought the same for 3 seasons.

Thornton must have something on King.

Thoughts on Richard Johnson? Think they guy is nowhere near top-ten material, let alone confirmed no.2 to McCoy. Defo no.2 though. Seems to slam horses into so many fences, esp novice chasers. I can't have him at all.

LOL. Thats the concesus when discussed locally!

100% agree.

Fine on seasoned handicappers.

I wouldn't let him near a novice I owned/.

I've not liked him as a rider of 'chasers for at least a couple of years now.

Very over-rated imo.

<3 the national hunt

is haydock full of dickheads when the sticks is on or is it just on the flat?

Only ever been to Haydock for a NH fixture but it was fine then. The scouse slappers stick to Friday nights in the summer imo, esp the one that can be heard screaming every winner in.

[ ] It was the scouse slappers Trigg was reffering to.

Sums Thornton up. First race of the day at Ascot falls off a hurdler 50 yards after the first flight.

Depressing as a King fan.

Meanwhile up at haydock Wayneo beats Ruby in a finish on a horse fallen 2/3 last few races.

I rest my case.....

7/4 aswell

Johnson equally poor.

His poor old father in law Noel Chance went for a touch on his. Obliged to have Johnson on board and manages to dump the horse on the floor at first fence. Could signal the end of Chance, who rarely has runners these days, which for a trainer of his pedigree is a travesty.

So Noel Chances demise is down to one ride by Richard Johnson?

Not gonna waste too much time on this cos patently not what I said.

A bad Johnson ride on one of his few runners won't help him, but I think you knew what I meant anyway......

Once again another well timed reminder for Mr King who is obviously oblivious to the qualities of his 2 jockeys.

Watch the ride Wayneo just gave Kenai Penninsula. Never gave up and what a price!!

GTFO or GIQ Adz ;)

Wayne watch. Saturday 1st Dec

Thornton 4 rides for King all fancied, blows out on all of them

Hutchinson 1 ride for King 1 winner.....

You see him get Bless the wings home Friday? Must have gone a neck down with 30yards to run.

Yes mate. Said at the time couldnt see Thornton doing the same.Probably would have made his trademark hash of the last!!

On a forum where we are always looking for an edge, this is an ongoing one.

Another great ride from Choc on Salden Licht. Despite King saying it was just a learning experience we all know after 500 days they leave nothing behind in the fitness stakes, and Choc manages to turn a 5 length lead on the bend into the usual last fence blunder and lose comfortably.

What is it with Thornton and the last? Off the top of my head, Walkon(Paddy Power, Montbazon(Supreme Novice), French import at MR that started this thread when outridden by stable 2nd string, and now Salden Licht.

Sigh.......poor Wayne, having to watch these lovely horses wasted.

For balance he did turn over the 13/8 fav in the first though on Midnight Appeal, can't just post his losers  mate ;)

That was against Johnson though, I think a few here have said he isn't too hot over fences......

Blind squirrel mate. But Johnson didnt ride a great race either IMO, making up loads of ground all at once mid race

Nothing to do with fairness. Wayne is the better jock in the yard and deserves some acknowledgement somewhere, if not from Mr King!!

Another masterclass from Deckie Johnson on Fingal Bay.

I've never liked the idea of putting a horse who's jumping badly left hard up the left side going in to the fences, as they're always liable to duck out (<<< aftertiming obv).

To think this guy would have been a multi-champion but for A P McCoy.

My best mates family own the winner Chartreux, and Roger(also has horses with Hobbs) is adamant Dickie has a big problem with his left leg. He advised Paddy to take a position behind Fingals as this problem has developed to a lot of Hobbs top horses recently, Menorah/Captain Chris etc, who have all jumped erratically, and the suspision is that Johnson has the weakness rather than these good horses.

I think this is a bit harsh.

If I'd been riding Fingal I would have shit myself and pulled up after 2 fences.

Must have been a terrifying 5 minutes

Paddy said Johnson said to him after 2 fences he didnt feel right, and Paddy said pull him up then........hmm, horses come first eh?

Hmm.

Can you imagine the outcry if a jockey pulled up a 1/10 shot after two fences and the horse is later found to be sound?

Yep. Lose Lose really

Ar you old enough to remember a horse called Morley Street?

Brilliant, but a complete headcase.

Fingal starting to remind me of him.

Trying to throw away the Champion Hurdle

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Meh, link doesn't work.

Search on youtube. Fascinating horse.

Fingal would most definitely have shit himself.

LOL. Yes

Worked in Swindon at the time, and I worked in a Bank on Commercial Road, opposite Morley Street. Used to Stand by the street sign every time he ran and give it a rub. Colleagues thought I was some kind of loon.

Not sure Fingal has quite the latent talent he has tbh K

When I saw you had posted on this subject I guessed you had some fascinating insight into horse psychology.

Nope.

Just a cheap opportunity to take the piss out of the poor old Camel.

wpwp

Well as a matter of fact I should shoulder some of the blame for Fingal Bay's poor performances this season, I did include him in several of my ten-to-follow lines all of which are as good as dead in the water, Fingal or no Fingal.

Hobbs must be doing something wrong, his horses seem not to train on.

Interesting about Johnson's leg. I've never been a fan but this season he seems unable to hold a lot of horses and can't present one at an obstacle for love nor money. I'd be happy laying all his shorties at the mo.

Horrible, yet fascinating race to watch. Glad horse & Jock ok, but reckon Brennan rode a great race and Johnson a terrible one. Wouldn't give up on the horse yet.
Off now to scurry about for Morley Street...not quite of Camel's vintage...

If I remember correctly, Morley was beaten at least twice, maybe as many as 4 times, over fnces at the sort of price Fingal was today.

I couldn't find a video of Morley winning the Aintree hurdle. One of the best rides any horse has ever been given imo

Did it win it 3 times?

Your mention of Morley Street made me think of one of Toby Baldings others Beech Road and in my head im sure a young AP McCoy gave it a fantastic ride in one of its later races (was a mudbath) to get it home at a big price could have been 50's.

Ive tried to google to confirm and cant find it - just wondered if your encyclopedic racing memory could put me out of me misery  :)

Beech Road was one of my dad's favourite horses.

Won the 1989 Champion Hurdle at 50s or 66s.

But was ridden by the polar opposite of AP McCoy...

The jockey was Richard Guest!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_rrlWeNIZU

Remember all these horses way better than some of the more recent ones.  I remember backing Mole Board to beat a small field of shirkers, including Morley Street.  He sat right at the back and just strolled past them all up the Sandown hill to win at 33s.

Royal Gait was another I remember from that era.  Absolutely robbed in the Gold Cup when disqualified for minor interference despite winning by 5 lengths, came back and won the champion hurdle a few years later.  I am fairly sure there was a stewards on that one after he weaved and bumped up the run in, but they couldn't disqualify him twice. 

Obviously have to go back a long time to remember the long priced coups!

Ah Guesty.

Helped pull off my best ever coup with Red Maurader, Made perfect in the forecast with Smarty.

Remember being sat round friends house watching with 5 families and me f'in and blinding at the tv as 2 of them doing a circuit just needing to stand up for monster payout.

Happy days

One of my friends at that time (a pro gambler) had his entire bankroll on Royal Gait getting the Ascot Gold Cup back on appeal at 1/5.

It didn't and he had to go and get a job :(

Ha ha thats my memory gone for a burton now.

Hope things good with you Keith.

I THINK iM IN LOVE

Wayne watch arldur.. Boooooooom!


Also, my mates Stepson Tom Garner, lloks like the ready made replacement for the moderate Aspell, sooner rather than later I hope.

Watch this space!

Waynes just given Araldur a peach of a ride.

Let it lob along looked a winner two out - didnt take the 2nd last well but he got it balanced again and rode a strong finsh just nicking it on the line.

Had a huge bet (£2 e/w) on Araldur today on the strength of this thread. Another one for Wayne.

Maybe increase stakes next time...

And if your anything like me it will lose.

 Another wayneo classic, played for 2nd and got it on Kumbeshwar. Another super ride!

Interesting race at Folkestone. Thornton rides a decent race and Johnson on another Hobbs hotpot owned by the Whateleys(Menorah/Captain Chris etc) jumped and jinked all over the place. Having seen this happen to Johnson yesterday am really starting to believe that he does have some problems with his legs. Its happening too often to be the horses.

Quel Surprise. Hobbs on a Hobbs/Whateley newcomer, Ballytober, looked a good horse but jumped to the left at last and when Johnson put it under pressure towards the line jinked and almost chucked him off. The more I see the more I am convinced Johnson has a problem....still seems to be booting in the winners tho!

Think I shall point out one today ahead of the race. Up at Haydock Wayneo rides one called Bakbensher. Last couple of time Choc has riden it and in his last race managed to get it into every bit of trouble going when seemingly travelling well.
I shall be backing this each way, and hoping to see Wayne show how much better than Choc is once again. GL

Sketchy jumper but good form on testing ground and deffo in with a shout at the weights.

I've had a dabble too.

Im sure no one takes any notice of this thread, but either way.


Wooop wooop Wayneo!!

:)

Same reply as MM!

First time I have backed one, though.

well done big

Hutchinson is constantly underrated by the market (according to the whitley figures)

i have no idea why he is not alan kings number one tbh

Hello horsie hope alls well. What price was Bacbensher this morning?

Haha, well done m8!

I just got up in time to see him cruising along and thought to myself the thread is about to get bumped :D

It was 7/1 this morning m8

Julio too short now, surely? Is 9-4 is asking a lot even in the mud?

Am on Hey Big Spender at 5.8 but what do I know? :)

Tal, how dare you tarnish this thread by even suggesting backing Thornton.

LOL, as I write the fool has fallen......Shrugs

Lol yes well my uppance came by backing a horse that was pulled up.

Looks a good day to be at the front of the pack at Ascot

Thornton just had a bad fall!

I'm on Balder, thorntons not on.

He was, i want my money back.

Good racing at Donny tomorrow, both Thornton and Hutchinson there with King having two runners. Should be interesting.

Anyone been following this other young man I suggested. Booting them in all over at the mo.

Didn't notice this berfore, would have been a nice forecast the other day with Sadlers and that was his 4th win in 5 rides!

I'll settle for Wenger doing the off before the weekend instead though ;)

You had a look at Donny Adz?

Aye.

Cheltanian out.

if you watch his last race winning the bumper at Chelts on SL/Skybet you will see me and the lads going potty at the end. Happy day!

Hoping he runs well but really looking to see if Chelts is still viable option this year, and also which race.

had a cheeky placepot and

8 e/w doubles

2.50 corkage
       west end rocker

3.55 kent street
       cocoabana

need the jolly beat in the first tho

Cheltanian out.  Thought you meant non runner. No bet for me, this and new years eve on comeback trail.

siiiiigh chinned in 2nd leg with azaif, must have been a million on to place

swynmor confirmed my thoughts, its an absolute mudlark, it glided through the mud last twice

Well done in the chop with Nicky. Not sure why there ain't a thread but I read it on Pokernews

WTF, good job i wasnt betting the photo

thanks jase. No need for a thread lol

Going to a Chelt preview evening at Royal Ag College here on Tuesday.

On the panel.......Choc Thornton.....

I know I won't keep quiet

'so Choc, why is it Wayne has ridden more winners than you, when you have the pick of the rides'?

Any other suggestions?

Whats Waynes best chance of a winner.

Not sure he even has a ride today. Choc has some nice rides at Kempton and I would really fancy Fair Trade at big odds if he wasnt on it.
With the rides he has I think today is a fair indicator as to what he has left to offer.

In fairness he rode a cracking race on Goring one yesterday and not for King. Can't remember last time he did that. What you fancy in big chase a t Kempton. I'm stuck between Nacarat, wyk hill and rolling aces. Might have a cheap tricast. Saving my pennies for 17 days time.Whats Waynes best chance of a winner. I was answering your question, trying to be funny.

Lol, sorry biddy, too early on a sat for me!

Got 12s on Same Difference on Thursday based on his proximity to Unioniste. Not a big play day today tho.

Hopefully have something nice for tomorrow for you tho mate

ooh fingers crossed

i give tour d'argent a little squeak here 16s

wow it was so keen and travelled and jumped well, made a huge mistake but i doubt it would have figured.

Was at a preview nite yesterday with Choc on the forum.

Had very little to contribute. Was credited with winning the Welsh Champ hurdle...which I had to shout out and tell the panel it was in fact Wayne....and a Daguerre look from Choc....made my nite!

Very few king horses going to the festival and he tipped Bensalem as his best chance. Ben was today ruled out for rest of season.


The Choc is running v bad....

Last race at Lingfield today, on 7/4 fav too bad to be true.

That was Andrew Thornton and it was a truly woeful ride.

Good news for King's Festival horses. Wayne Hutchinson could have a good Festival.

Shame for Choc I suppose.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/21683687 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/21683687)

kings prob got worst string going to the festival in the time i can remember

Poor Choc......

Watch the upswing in Kings fortunes....

Lunique & WalkOn both done pretty well for the "inferior" jockey. Be nice if Uxizandre could get a place in the next too.

40/1 winner for Wayne in the 1st at Ascot...

Unfortunately no aftertime here though :(

I had a sneaky £1 e/w on it, and not quite sure why, but I've got it in a £1e/w double withe Somemothersdohavem in the next. Nice wee sweat.

Well, was a quite marvellous sweat. Just a head away.  :'(

I had spotted Forresters Folly and had intended to back it, but I got called away from the PC to eat. What makes it worse is that I normally eat at the PC and just carry on what I'm doing... Obviously by the time I got back the race had just gone off :(

Spooky, but I had £10ew on that too and scared the dog as they came over the last :D

Unlucky not to scoop the lot there m8 :(

Would certainly have been my largest ever return for A £1 E/W bet! Still, a nice wee profit all the same but i thought it had it in the bag at the last.

Hope Ryan Mania's OK - looked a nasty fall at Hexham.  :(

Ryan Mania situation looked quite bad there, never a good sign when they need the air ambulance. Fingers crossed.

I had only seen those couple races at Ascot, so didn't know he'd had a nasty fall. As said, hopefully he'll be ok.

Yes same here Mark,  it says neck and back injuries which sounds like a scary combo, hopefully it isn't so serious.

Another good day for the Hutchison/King combo. 2 wins and a place.  ;applause;

40-1 other day.

Surely must be close to getting the gig full time?

You'd certainly think so.

And thanks for alerting us to this Adz, been very profitable to follow indeed!  ;tightend;

Yeah, I said on Sunday that he had pinged one in and unfortunately I wasn't on...

I spotted it when looking through the card earlier, had written it down to do and then got called to eat. Unfortunately I got back just to see Wayne cruising up on Forresters Folly  ::)

Pretty sure thread hero just outrode the champ there!!

Pride of Swindon :D

Legend.

Managed to back him last week before I left, and watched on ipad. Brill ride

Was a very slick performance from both, the horse jumped the last like it was the first  :o

Surely Thornton must be cursing this injury, and wondering how long he's got left as no1?

Its been stated that Wayneo and Choc now sharing first Jock status.

During the first few weeks of the season when that appeared to be the case King was doing ok.

Now they seem to be slipping back to Choc getting the best stuff, the results are falling off a cliff again.

What does poor Wayne have to do??!!

I'm sure I read somewhere that King said it was now entirely up to the owners who rode which horses, geography permitting.

Wrong thread, but McCoy gonna McCoy!

:)

I think that was what the article said Ralph.

I know SDC probably needs today's race but 3.5 on betty has tempted me to have a tickle.

Surely a seminal day in the two careers of Wayneo and Choc, with the mighty Wayneo booting home two that Choc has under achieved on.

Here's hoping there is only one Number One jock at Kingys very soon.