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Title: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: AndrewT on December 02, 2012, 01:12:45 AM
Hand from the £550 GUKPT sidey tonight.

Level 1, 25/50, assume effective starting stacks of 15k.

I raise mid position 150, next to act (hijack) calls, CO 3bets to 550, we both call (pot 1725).

Flop  Jc 7d 4h

Me and hijack check to pf 3bettor, who checks.

Turn  3s

I bet something like 1150, hijack folds, CO has a think for about 40 seconds, then calls (pot 4025)

River  8c

I bet 2600, CO thinks for about a minute, then raises to 8k.

CO's range here? It's level 1, he's unknown, but not been super active and has done nothing out of line. He does have a foreign accent that I haven't consciously placed yet.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 01:22:29 AM
His entire range looks like a set of jacks to me.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: Rupert on December 02, 2012, 01:28:49 AM
bluff catcher level 1 vs unknown in live event

fold


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: outragous76 on December 02, 2012, 03:35:16 AM
His entire range looks like a set of jacks to me.

literally his only holding and he still played it terrible - mental note and move on


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: AndrewT on December 02, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
His entire range looks like a set of jacks to me.

literally his only holding and he still played it terrible - mental note and move on

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion - only Jacks makes sense.

Unfortunately I'm not confident enough in my hand-reading skillz to think I can nail a villain's exact cards. Also folding sets is hard :(

I assume b/f river is a better line than c/c?


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: pleno1 on December 02, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
What do we have?


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: AndrewT on December 02, 2012, 10:22:24 PM
What do we have?

Set of threes - mateyboy trap-checks his two-outer to get paid.

Hand really annoyed me as I acted too quickly on the river and would have had a better chance of making the fold if I'd not instaclicked call.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: The Camel on December 02, 2012, 10:29:58 PM
What do we have?

Set of threes - mateyboy trap-checks his two-outer to get paid.

Hand really annoyed me as I acted too quickly on the river and would have had a better chance of making the fold if I'd not instaclicked call.

Very small chance he's got AA or KK.

But he's almost always got JJ here.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: Skippy on December 02, 2012, 10:35:30 PM
Can't he have 88 too?


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: pleno1 on December 03, 2012, 10:23:56 AM
What do we have?

Set of threes - mateyboy trap-checks his two-outer to get paid.

Hand really annoyed me as I acted too quickly on the river and would have had a better chance of making the fold if I'd not instaclicked call.

Very small chance he's got AA or KK.

But he's almost always got JJ here.

its 88 a lot more than aa imo


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: TL900 on December 03, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
how/why would he ever have 88 here?


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: MC on December 03, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
how/why would he ever have 88 here?

Yeah 88 probs doesn't 3bet pre and would probs stab flop as well

Agree that it looks incredibly like Jacks


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: AndrewT on December 03, 2012, 12:15:50 PM
how/why would he ever have 88 here?

Yeah 88 probs doesn't 3bet pre and would probs stab flop as well

Agree that it looks incredibly like Jacks

My thinking was this - if you're going to 3-bet 88 from the hijack you're not checking back a J74 flop.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: Deadman on December 05, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
Fold all hands here that can't beat JJ... the guy has basically turned them over and shown you 2 Jacks. snap muck.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 05, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
wow what a tilting hand.

Fold.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: chelseaboy on December 05, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Id have to say JJ aswell... otherwise anything else he bets the flop!


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 06, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: George2Loose on December 06, 2012, 01:12:40 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

Probs best not to try and get people to fold top set


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 06, 2012, 01:18:44 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

not in level 1 of a tournament! We've used our poker prowess to identify he has a stronger hand than our own, extremely strong, hand. Lets be smart with our cleverly derived information and fold, rather than use it to implement a somewhat needless and ludicrously risky bluff.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 06, 2012, 02:58:39 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

not in level 1 of a tournament! We've used our poker prowess to identify he has a stronger hand than our own, extremely strong, hand. Lets be smart with our cleverly derived information and fold, rather than use it to implement a somewhat needless and ludicrously risky bluff.

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z43/franchise60/Gifs/slothchillin-3.gif)

that ez?


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: The Camel on December 06, 2012, 03:37:01 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

not in level 1 of a tournament! We've used our poker prowess to identify he has a stronger hand than our own, extremely strong, hand. Lets be smart with our cleverly derived information and fold, rather than use it to implement a somewhat needless and ludicrously risky bluff.

This bluff would work approximately 100% of the time in the WSOP main event during the first level though.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: George2Loose on December 06, 2012, 03:38:49 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

not in level 1 of a tournament! We've used our poker prowess to identify he has a stronger hand than our own, extremely strong, hand. Lets be smart with our cleverly derived information and fold, rather than use it to implement a somewhat needless and ludicrously risky bluff.

This bluff would work approximately 100% of the time in the WSOP main event during the first level though.

Depends who you're opponent is. I saw some pretty ridiculous play on my table and I bust pre antes.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: The Camel on December 06, 2012, 03:40:49 AM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

not in level 1 of a tournament! We've used our poker prowess to identify he has a stronger hand than our own, extremely strong, hand. Lets be smart with our cleverly derived information and fold, rather than use it to implement a somewhat needless and ludicrously risky bluff.

This bluff would work approximately 100% of the time in the WSOP main event during the first level though.

Depends who you're opponent is. I saw some pretty ridiculous play on my table and I bust pre antes.

I've played it 14 times and only seen someone bust in level 1 once and that was AA < AA aipf.


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: LonOhRay on December 06, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
I've played it 14 times and only seen someone bust in level 1 once and that was AA < AA aipf.

28 hours of level 1 play when there's ~1450 hours of level 1 play in this years main, intrigued to see how many bust outs there were if any.

Incredibly annoying to fold a set live at any stage but as everyone has said he just has it here, fold


Title: Re: Hand from GUKPT £550 side event
Post by: youthnkzR on December 06, 2012, 12:24:33 PM
Can he call if we jam? I mean he always has jacks right? And we can easily have rofled pre with  5s 6s or  Th 9h here

Probs best not to try and get people to fold top set

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