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Title: Plan?
Post by: TL900 on December 03, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
PokerStars Hand #90201718460:
Table '651302066 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: neverbdown1 (6000 in chips)
Seat 2: padreko (8630 in chips)
Seat 3: miki1170 (5825 in chips)
Seat 4: gissmo03 (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: 99TNT99 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: Mt.Spewmore (6347 in chips)
Seat 7: h4jniAK (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: JulemanD2k9 (5988 in chips)
Seat 9: PIUlimeira (4965 in chips)
miki1170: posts small blind 25
gissmo03: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [Qc As]
99TNT99: folds
Mt.Spewmore: raises 54 to 104
h4jniAK: folds
JulemanD2k9: folds
PIUlimeira: folds
neverbdown1: folds
padreko: folds
miki1170: calls 79
gissmo03: calls 54
*** FLOP *** [2d Qh Tc]
miki1170: bets 150
gissmo03: raises 150 to 300
Mt.Spewmore:

bb 8/4 over 50 hands sb is a whale not too worried about him.

plan for hand?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 03, 2012, 06:10:12 PM
raising is bad for sure and I whereas folding has a little bit more merit than everyone thinks imo it still seems silly to fold so calling is the only play imo.

I think id fold to a big/pot bet on the turn, and maybe call smaller bets and defo fold the river, depending ofc on the run out.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: MC on December 03, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
Yeah call looks good for now.

Not a fan of your opening size pre when we're this deep btw.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Fold for me


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 06:57:27 PM
Bigger pre this deep. Call flop.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: tight4better on December 03, 2012, 08:34:16 PM
Call flop and re-eval


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: pleno1 on December 03, 2012, 09:08:11 PM
call, fold vs bigger than half sized pot bet ott.

how many winning players are folding pre herE?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: TL900 on December 03, 2012, 09:48:30 PM

Not a fan of your opening size pre when we're this deep btw.

yeah this is me clicking buttons and not realising its a cubed, my bad


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
The problem with calling to reassess is that he has free reign to barrell twice and I'm not sure what run out we call call with?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: Rupert on December 04, 2012, 03:39:40 AM
Pleno your infatuation with folding AQo pre has got to stop. I think it's a pretty huge mistake if you aren't opening this unless there are like 7 Ikes behind you. I'd make it more pre and call as played


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: smashedagain on December 04, 2012, 11:11:13 AM
 ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: outragous76 on December 04, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
Board runs out 3x 7x and he bets 3/4 pot each street your plan is?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 04, 2012, 11:47:39 AM
call, fold vs bigger than half sized pot bet ott.

how many winning players are folding pre herE?

Can't imagine losing players folding an ace and a queen pre either.

Like the plan post,


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2012, 12:06:44 PM
Board runs out 3x 7x and he bets 3/4 pot each street your plan is?

would you just fold pre then?

Also what flops would you like to call streets with AQ?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: Doobs on December 04, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
PokerStars Hand #90201718460:
Table '651302066 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: neverbdown1 (6000 in chips)
Seat 2: padreko (8630 in chips)
Seat 3: miki1170 (5825 in chips)
Seat 4: gissmo03 (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: 99TNT99 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: Mt.Spewmore (6347 in chips)
Seat 7: h4jniAK (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: JulemanD2k9 (5988 in chips)
Seat 9: PIUlimeira (4965 in chips)
miki1170: posts small blind 25
gissmo03: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [Qc As]
99TNT99: folds
Mt.Spewmore: raises 54 to 104
h4jniAK: folds
JulemanD2k9: folds
PIUlimeira: folds
neverbdown1: folds
padreko: folds
miki1170: calls 79
gissmo03: calls 54
*** FLOP *** [2d Qh Tc]
miki1170: bets 150
gissmo03: raises 150 to 300
Mt.Spewmore:

bb 8/4 over 50 hands sb is a whale not too worried about him.

plan for hand?

Fella is a clear nit who normally plays small, why not just 4 bet now to 500/550? 

Instafolding to a 5 bet, if he calls, checking behind any turn.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: Bertpup on December 04, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
whats the buyin?


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 04, 2012, 02:06:55 PM
We don't know bb has a monster because he tried to iso the whale. He can do that with lots of genuine hands we beat. Looking at the action and the dry board with a deuce there aren't many big hands/draws in his range so if we overcall I think the risk of bb firing another barrel with all his genuine showdown hands is kinda low.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: TL900 on December 04, 2012, 02:27:57 PM
able '651302066 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: neverbdown1 (6000 in chips)
Seat 2: padreko (8630 in chips)
Seat 3: miki1170 (5825 in chips)
Seat 4: gissmo03 (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: 99TNT99 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: Mt.Spewmore (6347 in chips)
Seat 7: h4jniAK (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: JulemanD2k9 (5988 in chips)
Seat 9: PIUlimeira (4965 in chips)
miki1170: posts small blind 25
gissmo03: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [Qc As]
99TNT99: folds
Mt.Spewmore: raises 54 to 104
h4jniAK: folds
JulemanD2k9: folds
PIUlimeira: folds
neverbdown1: folds
padreko: folds
miki1170: calls 79
gissmo03: calls 54
*** FLOP *** [2d Qh Tc]
miki1170: bets 150
gissmo03: raises 150 to 300
Mt.Spewmore: calls 300
miki1170: calls 150
*** TURN *** [2d Qh Tc] [Ts]
miki1170: bets 100
gissmo03: raises 300 to 400
Mt.Spewmore:

whats the buyin?

11cubed


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 04, 2012, 02:51:03 PM
able '651302066 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: neverbdown1 (6000 in chips)
Seat 2: padreko (8630 in chips)
Seat 3: miki1170 (5825 in chips)
Seat 4: gissmo03 (3950 in chips)
Seat 5: 99TNT99 (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: Mt.Spewmore (6347 in chips)
Seat 7: h4jniAK (6075 in chips)
Seat 8: JulemanD2k9 (5988 in chips)
Seat 9: PIUlimeira (4965 in chips)
miki1170: posts small blind 25
gissmo03: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mt.Spewmore [Qc As]
99TNT99: folds
Mt.Spewmore: raises 54 to 104
h4jniAK: folds
JulemanD2k9: folds
PIUlimeira: folds
neverbdown1: folds
padreko: folds
miki1170: calls 79
gissmo03: calls 54
*** FLOP *** [2d Qh Tc]
miki1170: bets 150
gissmo03: raises 150 to 300
Mt.Spewmore: calls 300
miki1170: calls 150
*** TURN *** [2d Qh Tc] [Ts]
miki1170: bets 100
gissmo03: raises 300 to 400
Mt.Spewmore:

whats the buyin?

11cubed
gross spot to just smash the call button but no other choice here, could end up in a weird one if fish raises.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: outragous76 on December 04, 2012, 04:12:34 PM
We don't know bb has a monster because he tried to iso the whale. He can do that with lots of genuine hands we beat. Looking at the action and the dry board with a deuce there aren't many big hands/draws in his range so if we overcall I think the risk of bb firing another barrel with all his genuine showdown hands is kinda low.

? really ? & to Paul Ho & others peelers

If he has QT and it runs brick brick he can barrell for fun.

The problem with a non flushed board like this is you are pretty much hoping to get to a cheap showdown (and that he has QJ). if he has any 2 pr, especially QT, or obv KJ, he should play it the same way given he is OOP - just barrell off nice and hard. Im just not a fan of ditching chips with AQ and i pair when we can usually pick up chips nice and easy in much better spots this early

 


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: outragous76 on December 04, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
The other thing to consider on this board is that bad cards include

9 T J Q K A

Other bad cards if he keeps barrelling include

2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Just not sure what we are hoping for when we call

Fwiw, if I'm putting more chips in this pot I'm raising flop (<5% of time at a guess )


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 04, 2012, 08:42:38 PM
The other thing to consider on this board is that bad cards include

9 T J Q K A

Other bad cards if he keeps barrelling include

2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Just not sure what we are hoping for when we call

Fwiw, if I'm putting more chips in this pot I'm raising flop (<5% of time at a guess )

Yeah, but its an 11$ cubed. Everyone in PHA gives an incredible amount of respect to randoms in low stake tournies. Possibly even too much. Our opponent isn't very likely to decide to lol barrel off in an 11c when a fish is in the hand. We have to make a decision on whether we beat his value range on this turn, and its really close, there simply aren't many combos that make sense and have us beat. I mean, if he peels QTo pre, hes capable of misplaying KQ/QJ/J9/KJ etc this way. Its not a 55$ f/o with a supernova on the other end.

Also, we can't presume we are beat now, but say our opponent will correctly barrel every possible scary turn. Any rec player, even someone pretty solid may expect us to raise AQ on the flop and be valuebetting the turn. We really do beat his value range here- and whilst not ecstatic, I don't think i fold the turn and certainly not the river.


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 05, 2012, 01:56:21 AM
gotta be a fold now, so much nonsense going on just gtfo imo.

Why would we fold AQo preflop? I do cartwheels when I get dealt AQ


Title: Re: Plan?
Post by: LonOhRay on December 06, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Still not folding turn, too many KQ QJ KJ J9 Q9 Q3o in his hand - it's the 11c not some tournament with people playing close to 'good'

Calling river depending on sizing