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Title: FTOPS Hh Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 06:53:22 PM (http://imageshack.us/a/img201/6195/mttspot.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/201/mttspot.jpg/)
Not my HH but have had a massive discussion in my group chat about it. Action preflop has gone (Blinds 1200/2400 300ante): Hero opens to 4800, villian (BB) calls 2400. Flop: Villian checks Hero ????? ---------------------------- Oppinions about checking back Vs betting / (if required getting it in). Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: Honeybadger on December 03, 2012, 07:19:53 PM Errr... Fold preflop.
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 07:24:51 PM fold pre because you got Middy on your table!
As played bet get it in Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 07:28:12 PM Errr... Fold preflop. Not my HH, but as played? Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 07:28:56 PM fold pre because you got Middy on your table! As played bet get it in Reasoning? Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: rfgqqabc on December 03, 2012, 07:44:48 PM I do either and make my decision based completely on previous gameplay/history. Would like table number/opr details ingame too. Softness of tourney etc. Think there is a huge range of factors that surround a decision this close.
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 07:50:35 PM I do either and make my decision based completely on previous gameplay/history. Would like table number/opr details ingame too. Softness of tourney etc. Think there is a huge range of factors that surround a decision this close. Playing HUDless due to HEM2 not working in FT METs. No specific reads on villian as has not been at the table very long. Only thing i can tell you is he isn't recognised as being a good reg by anyone in the group. Tournament is a $215 MET on FT (FTOPS #1). Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 07:50:42 PM fold pre because you got Middy on your table! As played bet get it in Reasoning? As for the open - image and game flow dependant AS for bet get it in: WE had the pre flop lead, we have flopped absolute gold for this hand. Always C betting here. His flatting from the BB means he is likely to be fairly wide. The only hands he is raise getting in are decent FD's and flopped sets (and I guess 2prs). We have good equity vs all those hands and have a pair vs the FD's. He can easily raise fold his bluffs and mid pp's which is again great for us. If we check back, there are lots of cards which start to make us wonder where and we are setting fire to our equity if he starts firing. Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: youthnkzR on December 03, 2012, 08:02:44 PM fold pre because you got Middy on your table! As played bet get it in Reasoning? As for the open - image and game flow dependant AS for bet get it in: WE had the pre flop lead, we have flopped absolute gold for this hand. Always C betting here. His flatting from the BB means he is likely to be fairly wide. The only hands he is raise getting in are decent FD's and flopped sets (and I guess 2prs). We have good equity vs all those hands. He can easily raise fold his bluffs and mid pp's which is again great for us. If we check back, there are lots of cards which start to make us wonder where and we are setting fire to our equity if he starts firing. Agree there aren't alot of turn cards which are good for us, but i feel if we do check back we are going to have to grit our teeth and call two streets (dependent on what they are of course). By betting we're only folding out hands we are already beating + if we're willing to get it in, we're most likely going to be getting it in vs: 99/88/77/66(we block)/55/44(we block)/33/ 78 / diamond combos - which we don't do well enough against imo. Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 08:05:21 PM fold pre because you got Middy on your table! As played bet get it in Reasoning? As for the open - image and game flow dependant AS for bet get it in: WE had the pre flop lead, we have flopped absolute gold for this hand. Always C betting here. His flatting from the BB means he is likely to be fairly wide. The only hands he is raise getting in are decent FD's and flopped sets (and I guess 2prs). We have good equity vs all those hands. He can easily raise fold his bluffs and mid pp's which is again great for us. If we check back, there are lots of cards which start to make us wonder where and we are setting fire to our equity if he starts firing. Agree there aren't alot of turn cards which are good for us, but i feel if we do check back we are going to have to grit our teeth and call two streets (dependent on what they are of course). By betting we're only folding out hands we are already beating + if we're willing to get it in, we're most likely going to be getting it in vs: 99/88/77/66(we block)/55/44(we block)/33/ 78 / diamond combos - which we don't do well enough against imo. you are missing out the huge advantge of winning the pot here? Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: outragous76 on December 03, 2012, 08:06:19 PM and not sure if he is getting in 77-99 he has played it that well
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: Rupert on December 04, 2012, 03:53:25 AM bet the flop
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2012, 12:51:04 PM 6333
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: SuuPRlim on December 05, 2012, 01:44:54 AM I think we must bet the flop because we've flopped very strong, we have the lead and there are many bad turn cards - I can see us losing the pot a lot of the time once we check the flop back, what are going to do on a 9 Q runout just call him down with our 1pair 6s? Once we've bet I think we have way too good of a hand to fold so for that reason i;d be getting it in lol
Obv we're not loving getting it in because our hand is so venerable but this is why we should have folded PF. Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: Boba Fett on December 05, 2012, 01:48:25 AM Betting might not fold out anything better but it keeps your range wide open and gives you more options later in the hand if they call and protects our equity in the hand when they fold.
Title: Re: FTOPS Hh Post by: Mehtab on December 07, 2012, 06:20:09 PM Don't think you raise pre with a hand like this to then check back this flop. As pointed out by others, think c/c is the nut worst option. Takies away betting lead and leaves us in difficult spots on turn and river if our hand doesn't improve. Personally am betting around 6200 and happy to get it in now against a c/r (leaves us with so many ways to win the pot. C-bet, re-raise all making villain fold, holding or getting lucky.) If villain flats c-bet, not sure what I'm doing on the turn yet :)
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