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11 left in fox 400 yesterday  we r playin 5 handed  i am 2nd in chips with 265k at and the chip leader is on the other table he just covers me i think. blinds r 2k-4k 300 ante thought on this hand please..will gave hands after discusion

utg opens to 11k from about 180-200k.......i 3 bet the small blind to 27k......bb min 4 bets to 50k playin 215k.....utg passes and its bk to me.....bb has said earlier that he was a lossing mtt reg on pokerstars this year but done well in a major on fr to make him a marginal winner overall....no ther real reads other than saw him 3 bet couple times in position and he stated that he liked the fact we were the 5 handed table cos short handed theres gonna be more oppurtunities to steal pots.....

what is our range to 5 bet shove here ??

How many get paid?

I think AA KK QQ but whats wrong with flatting his 50k and seeing where you are or if you only have a marginal hand then let it go!!!

flatting is nut worst option.

AK, QQ, KK, AA is what I am getting it in with here.

8 get d double the buy in for 8th and 10k uptop......

obv need reads on villain - like his ability to fold, is he bothered about cashing? etc etc - lovely spot to click it back

I agree but but what if you have a smaller hand than suggested above for example JJ or 10 10?

fold

value QQ+, def gonna whack Axs in his eye now and again too.

and what hands are we expectin him to fold out ??

No reason to assume he's getting ool here and it's such a strong play by him, online player would prob know our 3bet range should be pretty tight here. Prob going only with QQ+ 

so  what r we excpectin him to 4 bet fold here ?

50k isn't a min 4bet.

Totally depends on dynamics ad you've got I be there. @ all we are playing 5 handed so think I go abit wider!

so he 4 bets to 50k out off 215k wat hands should we expect him to fold here ??

Literally nothing he's raised for value

so whats his value range here ??

Unhappy with 1010 / AQo, Meh all in with JJ / AQs , happy with QQ+ / AK+

getting the feeling you jammed AK and he called with 66!

preempting the 50p

i am never jamming ak lol.......im tryin to find out what ppl think of his play....i know my play was super standard anyways i just have to ask the question to find the answers for his part

should probs reassess that, along with other suited A's too

outragus could u give me a range for calling my shove please ???

Did not notice we were 5 handed. I'd go JJ+,AKo now i reckon.

His range can include TT+/AQs+ for value (though without any aggro dynamic he can flat the bottom of this range comfortably given stack depth so prob not all the combos of TT,JJ,and quite few of AQ) and with your range being wider than i thought he can have a few more combos of KQ/KJ/AT type hands with blockers that play ok post that he's planning to fold to a ship.

yeah we r 5 handed this is not the final table bubble as its 9 handed final and still 11 left and also money bubble is 9th as 8 paid.....

JJ is a tank call

TT is really uncomfortable

AK call AQ fold

its worth pointing out I wouldnt be in that position as my mind would be made up before raising and I think I would have reasonable reads on villain (either way)

If he 4b folds TT he needs to sort something out. Not a good hand to 4b/fold Ax/KQ better. I think we can jam TT+ AK, AQs~ 50%.

Imo he can be 4b bluffing here, not sure how likely it is. Def seen it online a fair bit, if he has sounded kinda spewy- like you made it sound, it has to be a factor.

so pretty standard he has ak  but i think flat the 3 bet in position if i was him ???

He's not going to be flatting AK at any point 5 handed...He either has a huge value hand or a bluff so Just go with your read. I wouldn't be folding Jacks here too often though if you think he's capable of ever being light then you need to widen your 5bet shoving range.

At the risk of sounding like a massive live fish, I think it really important to be paying very close attention to your opponent in a situation like this. I'll try explain the best I can. Live players give off so much info its pretty hilarious actually, so i'd be paying attention to stuff like how quickly he 4bets and how happy he looks about it. If he snap 4bets without thinking about it then I would usually exclude certain hands out of their range for example: not many live players near the bubble of a FT are going to be snap fist pump cold 4bet 1010 too often I don't think. They some times even turn their hand face up by tanking and counting out the call then changing their mind etc.

So yeah, I know it sounds really fishy and old school to use this kind of thinking, I use to think it was stupid aswel until Deadman showed me the way. Its so much easier to narrow down peoples ranges based on reactions and timing. I would also be 5bet jamming a pretty tight range here too with no history. Same as deadman probs, hes always right.

how much for lessons simon?

i 5 bet jammed qq for value obv.....tbh if i was him i woulf flat the 3 bet in pos with ak as i wouldnt want to inflate the pot as big as he did......anyways he had ak and snap called and got there

Have discussed this at length with Jason, and it is a bit 50p-ish...

its just a massive equity flip, ask goulder about those. :)

Thought simon actually wrote this, had to double check. Spot on tbh peej as usual

5 handed I would 5b anything i 3b for value. Dont think I include any bluffs here. My only "bluff" would be AQ if I was getting a bit sick of him.

Also his C4b is super standard. Flatting the 3b would be criminal