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Had an interesting hand in the Incredible 100 last night that really got my mind working on where is the line with angle shooting? Now its a touchy subject in the poker world but in my personal opinion i fine it difficult to define the line sometimes between angle shooting and say using the rules and your experience to your advantage. I don't think i have ever intentionally angle shot a complete stranger, I have tried to get one over on friends in home games and pub games! But that is a different kettle of fish!

Anyway the hand in question and my thought process.

I am in the SB and the HJ (villain) has limped and button has limped i come along with A9 and BB checks. Bored comes  8d 7h 3d and i am holding the  Ad. The HJ puts out a bet of about half the pot and i come along for the ride. heads up to the turn which comes 9x. i check and she bets the same amount as she did on the flop again on the turn. (1/4 of the pot). I check her stack and she has about 5K behind with 4k in the middle if i call the turn. A bit awkward as i think if i jam she is folding all her hands i am ahead of and calling all the hands that have me crushed. I flat so there is 4k in the middle and 5k in her stack (I have about 25k). the river comes an off suit K.

She insta james. With her being HJ and me being SB this bet is out of turn.

Heres where my thought process starts. I dont act (or react) i just look up at the dealer (cheetan) to acknowledge that he knows that i know that bet is out of turn. So here is  where i considered my options. I have seen this bet before many times as an intentional bet often with a bluff but sometimes with a very strong hand.

Option 1: So i was thinking if this is an angle shoot i can just check and then her bet stands and i can call the 5k and hope she is bluffing.Therefore if she is bluffing i can take max value from the hand. But if i am wrong and she has the goods I lose 5k.

Option 2: I chuck out one chip say a 500 chip and see what happens then. This then opens up many options depending on her next action. If she exposes her cards (thinking that i have called) and she has the nuts...

Is her hand dead as she has shown her cards?

If it is not dead obviously i just muck my cards and it has cost me 500 to find out i am behind.

Or i throw out a 500 chip and she thinks i have called but she then shows me a hand i beat? She technically is still to act but has shown me a losing hand obviously i am not going to show my cards until the dealer has sorted out the mess.

I ended up checking and then calling. As i thought i was ahead so wanted the 5k she had put over the line. But my mind then started wandering, thinking about my other options and were the line would stand her. Effectively me throwing out a 500 chip in my opinion would be angle shooting but if she has already angle shot me is that ok? (two wrongs don't make a right i know BUT!! ; ))

Or is this just a case of me trying to use the rules to my advantage in that if i throw out a 500 chip i know that that is effectively a raise to 500 and her bet now does not stand. If she does not know that is the case is that my problem?

This sounds like a legitmistake from her not an angle prolly just has a gd flopped hand and is overjoyed a flushy/straighty card hasnt come. i think ud be a bit douchey doing the 500 chip trick to try get her hand killed, wouldnt work either as afaik hu closing the action she can reveal her hand if she wants.

If i KNOW someone is capable of angly stuff then i think youre fair game to do w/e you can in retaliation but il have had to have seen it first hand otherwise i think you should give (speshly non-pro less experienced players) the benefit of the doubt.

She has most likely made a genuine mistake. Throwing 500 in like you suggest sounds pretty dirty to me. It's absolutely beyond dirty if you're trying to get her hand called dead. Fwiw I highly doubt it would be called dead, although she would lose her option to raise.

Your only real option is to check, but you are 100% to have done this anyway so she hasn't gained an advantage in this particular case.

Not sure why you would want to do anything else tbh. Unless you are absolutely 100% certain you are being angle shot, then I guess you can make a case for it.

Not allowed at dtd, some other venues allow this.

I think your points have summed up my actions as i could not be 100% sure it was an angle but i still think she was capable of this.... Hence why I thought through my options and went with what i thought was correct.


yes i believe this is the case and this was at dtd and i was aware of this rule although i agree with MC that would be pretty dirty of me to try and get her hand declared dead i dont think i would go down that route ever.

Just dont do it imo. Its very rare these kind of things are angles. I think the fact shes had the betting lead in the hand, coupled with what LilD said about no scare card just made her jam OOT.

If it were me, Id check (which I assume you were going to anyway) and forget it ever happened.

Yeah and also you cant show your hand if you're closing LilD. AFAIK, any deliberate showing of a hand, not at showdown, will result in a round penalty.

yeah round penalty applied. Milan Harper did it a few weeks ago with some minor holding. He thought it would help get a read off his opponent.... He flipped a card studied his opponent and got it wrong and called thereby paying his opponent off with a set. Then after all that had to sit out a round penalty too

any idea what her name was? if its who im starting to suspect it is then i hope u get her good next time!

please don't be another Rennee hater... I have no idea who Rennee is but it maybe a Chinese girl but I heard at least 3 guys say they wanted her knocked out because she had donked em,

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what have I done now Guy? I was stood outside eating pizza and that was the topic of conversation.

Haha can safely say the person who i suspect it may be is not called Rennee :)