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Live MTT, blinds are 100 / 200, 14 left in the tourney, 4 get paid.

Ok Our hero is in the cut off, 2 limpers before him. hero's stack is 3700

Our Hero's cards  7s 7d, we raise 4 x the BB

Big blind Calls ( 8000 chips) , one limper calls ( 5000 chips )  the other folds.

the limper was reallt taxed by his call, it took him about 4 mins to make the call, BB player is loose aggressive

Flop

 8c 7h 8d

Big Blind raises 1K

Limper calls 1 K

your move Hero, what do you do??

what are the blinds? what are we in? how many left? how many paid?

allin

just modified thsi with more info i forgot

I'd want to make sure I'm paid for the last 1900 as well.

Call.

Yea i'd go all i too. if you go all in you're giving 3/1 on the pot so i'm sure you'll get a caller.

At this point you're only behind against someone with 78 (unlikely, not worth worrying about) or 88 (even less likely) Your hand is not very vulnerable either, an overpair might trip up and hit a bigger boat, but this possibility isn't worth worrying about either. An overpair would have been likely to re-raise you pre-flop and if one is out there they are drawing quite thin.

The strongest possibility of being outdrawn comes from a hand like 89 or A8. You don't need to worry about this either because...there's no way going all-in at this point will get them off the hand. If you're losing to this hand, it won't be because you gave free cards away. You'd lose anyway.

So, I'll just flat call the 1k and hope to get paid on either the turn or river. You've got position so can bet the river if no-one wants to put their chips in for you by then.

True but if you flat call here it will scream strength because you have put over half of your chips in, people will be expecting you to go all in. If neither of the other two players have the 8 they may shut up shop after seeing you do that.

Well here goes,

Our hero pushes all in as the loose aggressive fish on the BB has part of the flop, ( i had a physical tell on him )

Hero Allin (  7s 7h 7d full of  8s 8h )

BB Calls

Limper moves all in over the top of the BB.

whats the limper got?

A8?

 Ac  8d

The BB folded.

Our hero joyfully turns over his pocket  7s 7d

limper turns over  8h 8s

BB had  9s 7c

Not a bad beat story, I was behind all the way. But what a laugh to go out on that. I just wanted to know if anyone else could get away from it.

I'd have lost all my chips in that pot.

Didn't Doyle Brunson say "You can never take a man for quads"?

The only way I could ever get away from this is if I were playing Omaha.

Even then I'd probably lose all my chippies.

Not even Snoopy could pass 77 here newmanseye. You were just cold decked is all.

I actually thought I was winning as well thats what got me, I had 5 buy-ins last night and this was my last one, I was out drawn on almost every hand i went broke on. Thems the breaks, I must have used up all my luck on the lottery scratchcard and getting the nookie from the wife.

lol :D

IMO, if you're going to play the 77 at all, 4 x BB is not enough here. They are going to call 3 more BB after having limped in. A bigger bet might have scared away the pair of 8s and the BB definately would not have called.

You'd likely get the same result though depending on the player with 88, and I agree, whichever way you played this, theres no getting away from it after the flop!

Well i did'nt want to over commit with 77, hence only 4 bb. I had been playing a reasonably tight game and my raises were getting some respect.

The guy with the 88 was really hesitant to call.

Which is why you should have made it all the more expensive. When you changed your game, you have been given more respect I take it? Capitalise on that, and play weaker hands as if they are stronger. If he was hesitant at 4x BB, whats he going to me like at 7, or 8. If he comes over the top of you, you've lost an extra couple of hundred chips.

4 x the b was the standard raise on the table for aces, if I played it any differently i would have looked suspect.

You can't come out with a comment like "the standard raise on the table for aces" ... what kind of game do you play? You need to randomise your betting pattern. You should be raising anywhere between 2x to 7x BB and making it consistently random. AA one time might be 3x BB, the next, in the same position, might be 5x BB.

Again, there is more than one way to skin a cat. You need to mix things up. You know this.

the table had settled to a standard raise regardless of the hand you held, As most good games tend to.

e.g   Ad Ac  under the gun 4 x BB

Cut off re raises

you are all in.

standard stuff mikky, surely you know that a table settles?

You don't want the table to settle, you want to be playing opposite to the table. Surely you know that playing opposite to the table is the profitable way?

Plus, a settled table typically means a nice, tight, passive table. And in that case, you want to be changing those gears faster than a mclaren F1.

Thats exactly why you want the table to settle, every bugger goes passive, and you can raise with 77 and take a good pot.

When you said raise with 77, I thought you meant a raise, not a tickel with 4x BB :D :D :D :D :D

My point is, if you had been mixing up, randomising your raises, IMO you would be less likely to get a caller with your middle pair, than if you just keep making the same 4x BB every time. Plus, limpers are not going to be put off with a 4x BB raise after they've already put their 1x in. 4x BB in an unopened pot I can understand.

to be honest the bloke with the 88 said afterward that he was going to fold but his mate told him to call.

 ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil;

Just poker win some lose some, I am just having a bad run, mind you I counted my mistakes last night, I mad a total of 5 bad moves.