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Seat 1: Apaapa1 (226722)
Seat 2: lepapadu43 (25456)
Seat 4: patxalechat (109928)
Seat 5: Stylista (94406)
Seat 6: Sr Croissant (253404)
ANTE/BLINDS
lepapadu43 posts ante 240
patxalechat posts ante 240
Apaapa1 posts ante 240
Stylista posts ante 240
Sr Croissant posts ante 240
lepapadu43 posts small blind 1000
patxalechat posts big blind 2000
Dealt to Sr Croissant
 Kh 8d
PRE-FLOP
Stylista folds
Sr Croissant raises 2000 to 4000
Apaapa1 calls 4000
lepapadu43 folds
patxalechat calls 2000
FLOP
 Qd 8h 7h
patxalechat checks
Sr Croissant checks
Apaapa1 bets 6433
patxalechat folds
Sr Croissant calls 6433
TURN
Qd 8h 7h  Ad
Sr Croissant checks
Apaapa1 bets 12345
Sr Croissant calls 12345
RIVER
Qd 8h 7h  Ad 9c
Sr Croissant bets 26555

300euro sunday major on european site, standard is mixed, lots of terrible fish, but this comp attracts the better regs too. readless on this guy.
Calling turn thinking I'm wining sometimes/losing sometimes, then bet river to fold out Qx and his 9x semi bluffs. Thoughts?

Wwjbd?

I can't think on that level 8)

i am cutoff, he's peeled btn btw, short handed obv

You're gonna have a tough decision when he raises. Excluding all other options, I much prefer c/r turn to c/c turn lead river. Of those other options, I think bet flop is a good idea also.

wow, wrote a long reply on phone last night and it decides to not have sent.

I was saying that I like fold pre, although I understand 99% of people open in this spot.

I like bet flop, more so with the Kh than checking with the Kh in this exact spot.

Don't like river as .fr fish will see 2 mised fd's and never fold a Queen, and a reg will see 2 missed fd's and never fold a queen :)

This ^ plus, if he's good enough to v bet a queen on the turn he's good enough to know your donk lead doesn't really rep many value hands.  When he bets the turn i  actually think usually he has a strong hand that he's not folding to a river bet or you're ahead anyway.  So i think your bluff (if that's what it is) only works if villain has a 9x hand that isn't two pair.  So to conclude I don't really like it.

Figured he's vbetting a queen on the turn infrequently so range was mostly bluffs and semi bluffs, a lot of which include 9x in so I just bet to get him to fold 9x and perhaps Qx sometimes.

Realise it's pretty out there - probs bad, hence the post

why wouldn't he bet a queen on the turn for value?

Because he's scared of the ACE

Isn't the fact he's still betting when he should be scared of the ace mean he has a strong range? I really don't get any part if the hand. I'd fold pre, bet flop, fold turn and river

You have very few combos of hands with an ace in that c/c flop though right?

Any reason not to bet the flop?  Your hand is pretty face up as having weak showdown value and you're oop.  Obv depends on villain, if they can recognize this or not or will checking to them induce bluffs.  Think any reasonable player is betting the turn with Qx/Ax that got there and air so knowing your villain is really important here.

Not sure I like your river sizing either, think you will get a lot of people just mashing the call button and hoping for the best

Good card for his bluffing range to continue on also

If he's a fish donking to fold out Qx/9x prob won't have the best success rate, (not often he will have Qx if a fish as well), and good players will realise we rep nowt with many draws bricking. Don't think it's a good play without any reads on the guy, could be ok with some knowledge.

Such a weird line! I mean when you check call you pretty much turn your hand face up. Really looks like some 8x type hand or 99-JJ, and I would actually prefer a cbet with a hand like K8 than with a hand like JJ/TT as your hand is a lot more vulnerable.. I would feel pretty happy value betting Qx if i was the BTN here, or bluffing/semi bluffing with a fairly high success rate.

The problem I have with the river donk bet is I don't think a weak player is going to fold Qx ever, and I think anyone decent will sniff this out and call with a lot of the hands you are trying to fold out, or even turn a missed draw or weak pair into a bluff themselves as you can never really have a big hand on the river.

But what do I know, I play SNG's. We have it easy most of the time! ;-)

Yeh I defo should've cbet this flop. And as for the rest of the hand, I don't really like the river line, he did fold, but I probably had the best hand anyway.

I think it's good to experiment with stuff though and think outside the box occasionally to stay/get ahead of the curve, most of it will be terrible/losing plays but something might come of it someday...

thats what I keep telling myself!

If you're taking this line I think I like a river overbet