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Title: Is this line good/bad/terrible
Post by: Rod on December 30, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Played this today. Opponent in the hand is playing 28/21. I am playing 22/20 this session. Last hand I played with opponent I raised and he folded to a cbet, only about 80 hands on him.

Should I 3-bet the flop? I thought no at the time as i allow him to get away from various aces.
Should I raise turn, my logic is similar to above. If he had a flush draw the turn missed though so maybe raise? Still does not sound right against his range?
What about the river? Can it be a fold or is the call fine.
Should I just fold pre even? (The SB fold to steal is only 61%)

I don't want to get stacks in at any point during this hand correct? Or not? Is it played too passive? Obviously I am just trying to get it in 100BB deep but the stacks change that.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): $37.67
SB: $42.41
BB: $5.10
UTG: $10.70
MP: $10.27
CO: $7.55

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 3d 3h

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 5h 3c Ah
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.50, 2 players) 6d
SB bets $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

River: ($10.30, 2 players) As
SB bets $7.20, Hero calls $7.20


Title: Re: Is this line good/bad/terrible
Post by: Pugwashed on December 30, 2012, 03:05:35 PM
Definitely not a fold pre but would be opening smaller on the button, especially with a 50bb stack in the bb. 3betting the flop might be better than flatting as the only hand we really lose to is 55 and we can get value from A5, A3 and his flush draws. Calling is fine tho and then just calling down. Line seems fine / good.


Title: Re: Is this line good/bad/terrible
Post by: TheSnapper on January 01, 2013, 02:51:27 PM
Played this today. Opponent in the hand is playing 28/21. I am playing 22/20 this session. Last hand I played with opponent I raised and he folded to a cbet, only about 80 hands on him.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): $37.67
SB: $42.41
BB: $5.10
UTG: $10.70
MP: $10.27
CO: $7.55

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 3d 3h

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) 5h 3c Ah
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.50, 2 players) 6d
SB bets $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

River: ($10.30, 2 players) As
SB bets $7.20, Hero calls $7.20

Should I 3-bet the flop? I thought no at the time as i allow him to get away from various aces.

Default line is to raise and build the pot, you hold a pure value hand and villain has lots of potential calling hands. there may be a more +ev line but would need to be very villain dependent and based on a strong read, for example if villain is super aggro and has a super wide check raise range, why discourage a potential turn barrell.


I don't want to get stacks in at any point during this hand correct? Or not? Is it played too passive? Obviously I am just trying to get it in 100BB deep but the stacks change that.

We are ~400bb's deep so its quite an unusual spot and really tough to get stacks in, but again, it really is dependent on reads as to villains tendencies, against a non thinking fish we should strive to get stacks in because its likely such a player will stack off with worse hands. I dont think that we can against this villain if he is your standard reg. You have position so you control the pot size on each street but this deep it seems unlikely you can get stacks in without 3b'ing the flop. It seems unlikely this villain is the type to call a 2x potsize river bet with hands you beat. I'm rambling a little now but a final point, the potsize on the flop is critical to the eventual potential potsize.


What about the river? Can it be a fold or is the call fine.

Sounds ominous and I suspect your hand wasn’t good but you really can’t fold barring some extraordinary read, I mean he also bets a non full house ace or a str8 in this manner too right.



Title: Re: Is this line good/bad/terrible
Post by: pleno1 on January 01, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
seems to be played perfectly (including pre flop sizing) I would either call or raise the river, min raise/fold the river is likely to be optimal.