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Hey,

Hand played online.

We are playing 4 handed now, were previously 3 handed for a long time. My image is probably weird, I'm 3x'n every button which nobody does in 2013 and villain likely thinks I'm a fish. He has taken some big sizings previously. He is betting like 4/5's usually

I open  Ts 6s  in the cut off to 12, villain on the button calls.

Flop ($30) is  Td Th 8d

I bet 12, he calls.

Turn ($54) is  Aspades

I bet 24, he calls

River is ($100)  Kd

I bet $32, he goes all in for $380 total effective

When I bet small on the flop it was always to bet small on turn/river and try and induce vs somebody who my initial impression was pretty aggro and could turn a lot into a bluff and could have a bunch of floats.

When he goes all in vs raising to like $148 or something how do you think his range changes both for value/bluffs.

I was v v surprised about his river sizing, so I went from bet/snap to bet/doubt.

I think you have made it a tough decision now because of your sizing. he can be bluffing as it doesn't seem like you have a huge hand.
Any previous reads on villain?

well i wanted to go for the max and use this sizing to induce, so im happy he raised and the intention was to b/call and i wouldnt find it a tough situation, but the all in feels weird.

 you said the guy thinks your a fish.. Because of this I think it's a fold.. He's going for max value with a nutted hand IMO..

If he knew u were decent I'd think it was a bluff but vs fish people go for the overbet all in and it's always for value from a good player from what I've seen. Obv I'm just a live donk tho..,

I'm not sure he thinks I'm a fish, he has bbb and I've folded to the 3rd barrel 3/3 so he probably thinks im weak/bad.

What would you suggest as a value range here? K10/A10/88?

Don't see him taking this line vs what he assumes is a fish with a hand you beat, he's seen you fold OTR 3/3 now and prob thinks you're gonna get stubborn and call off light and wants the max.

The worse he is the more likely I am to fold

its only really J9/97 and 8x he can bluff with on the river though, I don't see any reason for him to double float QJ, or to do anything but fold/call 8x and I think he folds the turn quite a lot with 97 so it seems very likely he has a good hand OTR, for this reason I'm not sure I really like the small/induce plan on turn + river.

It's pretty funny thing this poker, the one guy I spend as much time discussing poker with thinks this is a call every single other person ( i asked q a lot) all said fold.

I called.

Does villain ever try to get you to fold all you Ax, apart from AT/AK?

With a weak bet on the flop, and with you're apparent weak image, we assume he raises draws on the flop often?

Hate these spots when you try to induce, but then begin to doubt yourself. I edge more towards a call, but if you're confident about your river sizing tell, then I don't mind the fold.

man nlhe is so complicated

Well  ak = a2

Well he could bluff other ax I guess

Well that's what I meant. Turning his Ax into a bluff/trying you to fold chops. These kind of situations are really read dependent, so it's tough to give a definite answer. The only thing we do know is that you've played your hand in a way to try and induce, and that's what has happened.

why would he think this is a good spot to turn an ACE into a bluff? Seems like a very bad spot

Because nearly everyone Pleno has asked about the hand has said to him we should be folding. When we're folding a hand that we're not going to beat very often, then I think villain can definitely be making a case for turning an A into a bluff. I'm still not sure what I would like to do given a spot like this, but as mentioned, I'm still probably edging towards a call more.

I know you and some other guys you talk to have been using some big bet sizes in spots like this...

Like when internet pulled a few massive river shoves in the hu comp.


I dont want to pretend that I understand either side of them, but in this spot where you've tried to induce one what are you thinking on the river?

What doubts did you have? Why?

How do you pick a spot to induce like this?
(if you want to answer on Skype then that's cool, or just pm on here)

It's v v v v v v v rare to see a jam in these spots most of the time they will raise to 150-220 or something, 400 is huge seems harder to balance blah blah generally just nobody shoves here l. They do however bluff alot in every single spot, so i gave some rope (frOm flop I knew what my river sizing would be) but I didn't expect a jam.

Does the runout not make a difference, can decide if this a turn/river he would bluff on or not.

You said you'd decided river size otf that is why i ask.

I don't really like this spot as an induce spot, it doesn't seem like a very good spot to bluff is you're him, you could have a really good hand and he v likely cant have AA/KK/TT, would 3b AT and KT pf some % and would raise those two hands pre-river sometimes as well. The main hand he can rep is a flush surely the  Ad blocker has plenty of equity to just call $32 river bet (only needs to be winning 1 in 5) and the only "airs" he should have is 97, Q9 and J9 ...

He cant have the world of flushes, but all  Ad Xd hands are possible, 97 Q9 J9 QJ 96 and 67 all seem possible...

I just don't know what we're trying to make him induce

Every single time I use this logic I am miles behind.  I'm going to make up a screensaver and "They are absolutely fucking not trying to push you off a chop" is going to be near the top.